Idaho Student murders update: Police say why key details are being withheld from the public

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  • SheepDog4Life

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    Arrest affidavit can be read here:

    Reading through this, they first suspected him based upon a car being captured going past the house multiple times the night/morning of the murder. The car was also captured on video along a route back to Pullman, WA and they put a notice out for a white Elantra of certain model years. Multiple hits came back on his car, both with PA plates and WA plates. Previous traffic stops yielded his phone number. They got a limited search warrant for the 24 hour period prior to the murder and after and could put his car and phone along the route between Pullman, WA and Moscow, ID corresponding to the captured video images, BUT not at in the vicinity of the murder because he turned his phone off (or airplane mode) for about an hour before and after the time of the murders. His phone was not connected to the cellphone network during that time. Based upon that, they got a warrant for all of the historical cellphone data and showed that he cased the area of house about 12 times in the proceeding months. Based upon that, they took trash from his parents house in PA and obtained a direct DNA match. The match was to DNA from the snap of a KBAR sheath left at the murder scene.

    Interesting read... looks like plain-old good police work! No telling how many other White Elantra's they had to shift through.
     

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    Interesting read... looks like plain-old good police work! No telling how many other White Elantra's they had to shift through.
    I was impressed with how well written the report was.

    While the media seemed to portray all the Moscow police as Barney Fifes it sounds like a whole lot of hard work was going on in the background. The media was just upset they didn't have anything to run on their daily broadcast. And the police chief wasn't looking to become a TV star.
     

    Twangbanger

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    I was impressed with how well written the report was.

    While the media seemed to portray all the Moscow police as Barney Fifes it sounds like a whole lot of hard work was going on in the background. The media was just upset they didn't have anything to run on their daily broadcast. And the police chief wasn't looking to become a TV star.
    I did a double-take on the press conference, because I thought the one guy was Santa Claus or Lee Sklar.

    Remind your anti-gun friends that in a world without guns - nothing stops this from happening.

    If a single kid had access to a firearm, it would have shut this sh_t down right there.
     

    DoggyDaddy

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    I did a double-take on the press conference, because I thought the one guy was Santa Claus or Lee Sklar.

    Remind your anti-gun friends that in a world without guns - nothing stops this from happening.

    If a single kid had access to a firearm, it would have shut this sh_t down right there.
    Were they not allowed to have firearms, or did they choose not to? It was off campus housing I thought?
     

    Twangbanger

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    If a single kid had the willingness to use a firearm. Having access has little to do with the willingness to use one.
    When one's friends are being hacked to death, I think it will be a rare person who won't have the "willingness" to use a firearm.

    Ability, maybe. Willingness...no. Sorry, Denny rejected on this one :nono:
     

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    When one's friends are being hacked to death, I think it will be a rare person who won't have the "willingness" to use a firearm.

    Ability, maybe. Willingness...no. Sorry, Denny rejected on this one :nono:
    You are referring to the same young people at the scene who SAW the suspect walk away from the killing and were so scared that they waited until morning to call 911. They describe their fear as freezing them in place for hours....yeah, giving those kids a gun would have fixed that.
     

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    You are referring to the same young people at the scene who SAW the suspect walk away from the killing and were so scared that they waited until morning to call 911. They describe their fear as freezing them in place for hours....yeah, giving those kids a gun would have fixed that.
    Thinking there is more to the story here? Seems as if fight or flight would have overrode being frozen in place? Something is not passing the smell test.
     

    Cameramonkey

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    Thinking there is more to the story here? Seems as if fight or flight would have overrode being frozen in place? Something is not passing the smell test.
    Well, the updated response is actually 3Fs. Freeze is the "new" response. And apparently becoming more common than the other two, even if its only temporary. Its not uncommon for someone to freeze, at least temporarily until they can flight.

    And I'm sure a good dose of "this isnt happening" is probably mixed in there too.
     

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    Well, the updated response is actually 3Fs. Freeze is the "new" response. And apparently becoming more common than the other two, even if its only temporary. Its not uncommon for someone to freeze, at least temporarily until they can flight.

    And I'm sure a good dose of "this isnt happening" is probably mixed in there too.
    Coupled with the aforementioned substances they may have imbibed…
     

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    Coupled with the aforementioned substances they may have imbibed…
    Indeed. drunk coed comes out sees masked dude and freaks for a minute, then passes out. Hell, I was sober one morning at 4am in a DEEP sleep and was awakened by a cop at my door. I answered the door still groggy and he asked if my cameras were working, I said yes and he asked if I could review the cameras to get an ID on a car that may have driven by after shooting into a house and hitting a kindergartener 3 blocks away. I said I would and went back to bed. It didnt register at the time that it was time sensitive and they really needed a description for a BOLO. Oops.

    Lucky for me it was a kid in the neighborhood that lived one street closer to the victim, so they never drove by my cameras.
     
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    actaeon277

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    Well, the updated response is actually 3Fs. Freeze is the "new" response. And apparently becoming more common than the other two, even if its only temporary. Its not uncommon for someone to freeze, at least temporarily until they can flight.

    And I'm sure a good dose of "this isnt happening" is probably mixed in there too.
    Freeze was ALWAYS there.
    Just wasn't in the expression till recently.
     

    actaeon277

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    When one's friends are being hacked to death, I think it will be a rare person who won't have the "willingness" to use a firearm.

    Ability, maybe. Willingness...no. Sorry, Denny rejected on this one :nono:

    A man and his daughter were killed a few decades ago, I think in Valpo.
    The ex-bf of the daughter showed up.
    Father pulls gun. But doesn't use it.
    Ex-bf walks up, takes the gun, kills both.

    Yes, 'willingness' (or mindset) is definitely part of it.
     
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