Democrats want to Legalize Marijuana

[kBk wz. 1970]

Holy ****! Sweet mother of god NO! Run for your lives! A libertarian is on the loose!

C’mon man. People who want to do drugs do them. Doesn’t matter. The problem has only expanded since the war on drugs. Time to end it. It’s futile as prohibition was. Markets for what people want always form. Even if the market has to go underground.

I’ve already stated that. The Cartel is making plenty of money, as well as those who allow their existence.
How is it working so far?

Legalizing drugs will only amplify the existing problems associated with the “normalcy” of drug culture…
(More crime)

 

[KLB]

I’ve already stated that. The Cartel is making plenty of money, as well as those who allow their existence.
How is it working so far?

Legalizing drugs will only amplify the existing problems associated with the “normalcy” of drug culture…
(More crime)

History shows the exact opposite to be true.

 

[jamil]

I’ve already stated that. The Cartel is making plenty of money, as well as those who allow their existence.
How is it working so far?

Is there a booze culture? Not like there is a drug culture. Making it illegal draws people together that want to use it into a druggie community. To the degree that there is a drug culture, prohibition makes it more than just using it.

Legalizing drugs will only amplify the existing problems associated with the “normalcy” of drug culture…
(More crime)

Oh. You mean like alcohol? You think there are more societal problems now with alcohol being legal than there was during prohibition?

And lets talk about crime. Don’t you even suspect that crime is associated with drugs because they’re ILLEGAL? It’s not usually the average pot smokers who get in trouble with the law. It’s the people in the supply chain. Make that legal, and regulated and there is no longer a need for criminals to supply it. Legitimate businesses can do it. There will still be a black market for it, but only to the extent that government over regulates. There is not a lot of crime associated with the alcohol industry today compared with when it was prohibited. I don’t see any reason why marijuana would be any different.

 

[Hawkeye]

So if you’re a registered medical marijuana user in a state like Colorado and file for your 4473, you either forfeit your rights to owning firearms, or suffer the federal penalty 10 years in prison for lying on your application.

Either/or? I don't think you understand the Federal regulations and laws. Its not either/or. BATFE's position has been for a loooong time that habitual "drug" users cannot purchase or possess a firearm. Nothing new here. And has nothing to do with filing a 4473.

 

[phylodog]

Once big pharma figures out how to profit from marijuana and line the pockets of our overlords we'll see the prohibition end.

If it only came in a little orange bottle with a white cap that's difficult to get off, then everyone in the country would hold hands singing in unison while loading up on all of the THC they felt they needed. Unfortunately since it isn't gov't sponsored and doesn't come out of a lab it can't be considered medicine regardless of it meeting every other definition of the word in many instances.

I'm just so thankful that our government (which consistently gets 99% of everything it does wrong) still manages to somehow, despite all of the odds and evidence to the contrary, maintain it's rigid and righteous position on a plant. If only we could eradicate marijuana we wouldn't have to worry about active shooters anymore, I heard all of them were stoners.

 

[kBk wz. 1970]

Either/or? I don't think you understand the Federal regulations and laws. Its not either/or. BATFE's position has been for a loooong time that habitual "drug" users cannot purchase or possess a firearm. Nothing new here. And has nothing to do with filing a 4473.

Either/or meaning you could be forced to surrender your previously purchased firearms.

 

[kBk wz. 1970]

Is there a booze culture? Not like there is a drug culture. Making it illegal draws people together that want to use it into a druggie community. To the degree that there is a drug culture, prohibition makes it more than just using it.


Oh. You mean like alcohol? You think there are more societal problems now with alcohol being legal than there was during prohibition?

And lets talk about crime. Don’t you even suspect that crime is associated with drugs because they’re ILLEGAL? It’s not usually the average pot smokers who get in trouble with the law. It’s the people in the supply chain. Make that legal, and regulated and there is no longer a need for criminals to supply it. Legitimate businesses can do it. There will still be a black market for it, but only to the extent that government over regulates. There is not a lot of crime associated with the alcohol industry today compared with when it was prohibited. I don’t see any reason why marijuana would be any different.

Yes, I believe there are way more societal problems in 2023 than during prohibition. There were 50 shooting victims in Chicago alone this weekend. The Valentine’s Day “massacre” involved 13.

Let me be clear here- I’m all for the legalization of marijuana… even psilocybin. Cocaine, Heroin, Meth are completely different drugs that have no place in civilization.

 

[BugI02]

History shows the exact opposite to be true.

Is the current tidal wave of drug-addled homeless people part of that 'history' you're on about?

 

[BugI02]

Either/or? I don't think you understand the Federal regulations and laws. Its not either/or. BATFE's position has been for a loooong time that habitual "drug" users cannot purchase or possess a firearm. Nothing new here. And has nothing to do with filing a 4473.

I would note that the ONLY time Democrats seem interested in strictly enforcing a drug law is when it can be used to deprive someone of 2A rights

 

[Doug]

I would note that the ONLY time Democrats seem interested in strictly enforcing a drug law is when it can be used to deprive someone of 2A rights

As long as the someone isn't named Biden...

 

[BugI02]

Once big pharma figures out how to profit from marijuana and line the pockets of our overlords we'll see the prohibition end.

If it only came in a little orange bottle with a white cap that's difficult to get off, then everyone in the country would hold hands singing in unison while loading up on all of the THC they felt they needed. Unfortunately since it isn't gov't sponsored and doesn't come out of a lab it can't be considered medicine regardless of it meeting every other definition of the word in many instances.

I'm just so thankful that our government (which consistently gets 99% of everything it does wrong) still manages to somehow, despite all of the odds and evidence to the contrary, maintain it's rigid and righteous position on a plant. If only we could eradicate marijuana we wouldn't have to worry about active shooters anymore, I heard all of them were stoners.

Alcohol was (re)legalized in the the 30's

The rationale was it was a harmless pleasure that people wanted and doing so would end the problem of organized crime

Wrong on both counts

Alcohol subsequently became a huge problem for society

Weed has been partially legalized currently

The rationale to further legalize it is it is a harmless pleasure that people want and doing so will end the problem of organized crime

Does any of this seem familiar? One definition of insanity is doing the same things but expecting different outcomes

 

[LeftyGunner]

Alcohol was (re)legalized in the the 30's

The rationale was it was a harmless pleasure that people wanted and doing so would end the problem of organized crime

Wrong on both counts

Alcohol subsequently became a huge problem for society

Weed has been partially legalized currently

The rationale to further legalize it is it is a harmless pleasure that people want and doing so will end the problem of organized crime

Does any of this seem familiar? One definition of insanity is doing the same things but expecting different outcomes

Alcohol was never viewed as totally harmless, and it was never supposed to end organized crime, only to remove a profitable source of revenue from them.

And it it did. The black market for alcohol is a shadow of its prohibition-era self.

No one is saying weed is harmless…or should be, at least...and no one should be saying it will end organized crime.

It will reduce the size of one of the most profitable black markets in human history, and the chain of human suffering tied to it can (hopefully) more easily be broken.

 

[KLB]

Alcohol was never viewed as totally harmless, and it was never supposed to end organized crime, only to remove a profitable source of revenue from them.

And it it did. The black market for alcohol is a shadow of its prohibition-era self.

No one is saying weed is harmless…or should be, at least...and no one should be saying it will end organized crime.

It will reduce the size of one of the most profitable black markets in human history, and the chain of human suffering tied to it can (hopefully) more easily be broken.

Not to mention the mass loss of freedom caused by this "war on drugs".

We lose freedom and people that want drugs get them anyway.

 

[ditcherman]

Not to mention the mass loss of freedom caused by this "war on drugs".

We lose freedom and people that want drugs get them anyway.

Good thing the 2nd amendment is in the constitution and that would never happen with guns!

 

[Ziggidy]

Either/or? I don't think you understand the Federal regulations and laws. Its not either/or. BATFE's position has been for a loooong time that habitual "drug" users cannot purchase or possess a firearm. Nothing new here. And has nothing to do with filing a 4473.

Lying on a 4473 is not breaking the law? (Let’s leave any Bidens out of the conversations)

 

[phylodog]

Alcohol was (re)legalized in the the 30's

The rationale was it was a harmless pleasure that people wanted and doing so would end the problem of organized crime

Wrong on both counts

Alcohol subsequently became a huge problem for society

Weed has been partially legalized currently

The rationale to further legalize it is it is a harmless pleasure that people want and doing so will end the problem of organized crime

Does any of this seem familiar? One definition of insanity is doing the same things but expecting different outcomes

Some may choose to ignore the fact that marijuana is currently being utilized quite successfully for a variety of medical conditions after being prescribed by doctors and hold on to their programming that it's icky hippy junk all they please but that does not change the facts. Same can be said for psilocybin, LSD, MDMA, ibogaine and DMT but that doesn't matter. Our overwhelmingly trustworthy and virtuous government has convinced us that they're all just worthless party drugs so we should be sure to listen to them.

 

[phylodog]

I would note that the ONLY time Democrats seem interested in strictly enforcing a drug law is when it can be used to deprive someone of 2A rights

It's almost as if there might be something concerning about that. Almost like perhaps some laws were written for reasons concealed in their lobbying efforts and far less virtuous than advertised.

 

[Tombs]

I'd rather they legalize amphetamine.

Then maybe the amount of amorphous blobs floating around walmart might turn into something more human shaped.

I think weed is the last thing we need, given the work ethic of most folks as it is.

 

[phylodog]

This issue is far and away the most frustrating and disappointing issue when it comes to conservatives.

 

[jamil]

Yes, I believe there are way more societal problems in 2023 than during prohibition. There were 50 shooting victims in Chicago alone this weekend. The Valentine’s Day “massacre” involved 13.

Let me be clear here- I’m all for the legalization of marijuana… even psilocybin. Cocaine, Heroin, Meth are completely different drugs that have no place in civilization.

Oh yeah, 2023 is ****ing clown world. but due to MJ? Nah, MJ did not create wokeness.

But I'll agree with you on Meth. Where I draw the line is where people can't do a certain drug without harming innocent people.