Gr666mer Updates

[Route 45]

Can't open the third article.
There's an awful lot of loose definition of homosexuality in the two articles I could read. Again, it's narrative thinly disguised as science.

I have a feeling that any article that doesn't say what you want it to say will be suspect.

I still don't know what the argument is about, though. What does homosexuality have to do with anything? I thought we were talking about pedos and groomers. Are you ok with heterosexual groomers?

Here's more sheep/ram stuff, if you really just gotta dive into gay animal stuff.

The Development of Male-Oriented Behavior in Rams

The sheep offers a unique mammalian model in which to study paradoxical same-sex sexual partner preferences. Variations in sexual partner preferences occur spontaneously with as many as 8% of rams in a population exhibiting a sexual preference for other ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Route 45]

Can't open the third article.
There's an awful lot of loose definition of homosexuality in the two articles I could read. Again, it's narrative thinly disguised as science.

Opened fine for me, don't know what to tell you. I'm using Chrome.

 

[buckwacker]

I have a feeling that any article that doesn't say what you want it to say will be suspect.

I still don't know what the argument is about, though. What does homosexuality have to do with anything? I thought we were talking about pedos and groomers. Are you ok with heterosexual groomers?

Here's more sheep/ram stuff, if you really just gotta dive into gay animal stuff.

The Development of Male-Oriented Behavior in Rams

The sheep offers a unique mammalian model in which to study paradoxical same-sex sexual partner preferences. Variations in sexual partner preferences occur spontaneously with as many as 8% of rams in a population exhibiting a sexual preference for other ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

No, I'm just saying that all these gay animal orgy articles didn't appear in scientific journals until society went about normalizing human homosexuality, so it's narrative and not science. They're straining very hard to make homosexuality appear common in the animal kingdom by describing behavior that isn't even sexual as homosexual behavior. It's an attempt to "justify" human homosexuality.

What part of anything that I've said would give you the impression I'm ok with groomers and pedos? I said years ago when we started normalizing sexual deviency, that it would lead to the normalization of child sexual predation complete with government protection. At least more people are starting to see the idea wasn't crazy.

I don't know why you even brought animals into the conversation. I don't think humans should live like animals, and I hope you don't either.

 

[Route 45]

I said years ago when we started normalizing sexual deviency, that it would lead to the normalization of child sexual predation complete with government protection. At least more people are starting to see the idea wasn't crazy.

On what do we blame heterosexual child molesters?

 

[jamil]

The very first words in the first article are "In honor of pride month..." Sure, thats an unvarnished, completely scientific piece. That also didn't answer 2tonics question.

That doesn’t mean what’s reported isn’t true. But, of course it could identify the source as biased though.

 

[jamil]

On what do we blame heterosexual child molesters?

As we’ve experienced from the pandemic, science that’s accompanied by ideology does not produce trustworthy information. But then skepticism driven by ideology isn’t any more reliable. When that’s the case the explanation might as well be…

 

[Leadeye]

I think everybody can agree that child molestation is bad. What's needed is an update on definitions and laws that affect those situations. Legally defining and including things like grooming under a criminal statute might go far to stop it and I think down the road this is what many parents will insist on. The arrogance of the education/industrial complex in this matter will be their downfall.

 

[BigRed]

And if we're using the "it happens in nature" argument, we could rationalize the evil of pedophilia away as well.

T'is the goal.

 

[buckwacker]

I doubt either Route 45 or jamil will agree with me on where blame should be laid.

On what do we blame heterosexual child molesters?

As we’ve experienced from the pandemic, science that’s accompanied by ideology does not produce trustworthy information. But then skepticism driven by ideology isn’t any more reliable. When that’s the case the explanation might as well be…


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[buckwacker]

That doesn’t mean what’s reported isn’t true. But, of course it could identify the source as biased though.

As we’ve experienced from the pandemic, science that’s accompanied by ideology does not produce trustworthy information. But then skepticism driven by ideology isn’t any more reliable. When that’s the case the explanation might as well be…


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The article wasn't written in a vacuum so I'm not viewing it in one. If you haven't noticed we're swimming in a deluge of pro lggtqxyzabc+++++ propaganda at the behest of the militant rainbow alphabet mafia. It's infected politics, corporations, churches, and nearly every other institution, including science. Couple that with the absolute ideological corruption of medicine and science we've witnessed during covid, and even the moderately intelligent and reasonable would conclude that there's a signifanct likelyhood that "science" has been ideologically captured by said rainbow mafia, and articles such as those linked previously are an attempt to normalize unnatural, deviant sexual behavior.

 

[jamil]

I doubt either Route 45 or jamil will agree with me on where blame should be laid.

Where should blame be laid? For me, the wood chipper comment up thread should give you an idea where I think the blame lies.

 

[buckwacker]

Where should blame be laid? For me, the wood chipper comment up thread should give you an idea where I think the blame lies.

I guess I thought it was a more philosophical question.

 

[jamil]

The article wasn't written in a vacuum so I'm not viewing it in one. If you haven't noticed we're swimming in a deluge of pro lggtqxyzabc+++++ propaganda at the behest of the militant rainbow alphabet mafia. It's infected politics, corporations, churches, and nearly every other institution, including science. Couple that with the absolute ideological corruption of medicine and science we've witnessed during covid, and even the moderately intelligent and reasonable would conclude that there's a signifanct likelyhood that "science" has been ideologically captured by said rainbow mafia, and articles such as those linked previously are an attempt to normalize unnatural, deviant sexual behavior.

Like I said, all that doesn’t disprove the findings. Other research disputing that would be needed. But it does identify possible bias.

If I can find it again I recently saw a study on lesbian gorillas. The study sought to look into the question of how such traits get passed on when these gorillas don’t mate with males. They explored social, environmental, and pathological causes, as well as inherited traits that might trigger it. But they we’re definitely describing excusive female/female relationships.

 

[jamil]

I guess I thought it was a more philosophical question.

Philosophically, if you’re talking about what causes people to do that, I don’t think it’s as simple as saying Satan made them do it. I think it’s a natural anomaly.

 

[buckwacker]

Philosophically, if you’re talking about what causes people to do that, I don’t think it’s as simple as saying Satan made them do it. I think it’s a natural anomaly.

Which is why I said I probably wouldn't find common ground with you or Route 45.

 

[BugI02]

You sure did read those 3 articles fast. There are scientific observations in all 3, regardless of the pride month mention.

Go to a zoo and watch some Bonobos sometime if you really care that much.

Also, the 3rd article indeed answers the question.

The animal kingdom also practices infanticide, too; such a when a new lion wins leadership of the pride and kills his rivals cubs so the females will come back into heat and he won't have to raise children not of his bloodline

Shall we go there, too?

Maybe cherry-picking nature for examples of gayness isn't quite the best argument

 

[BugI02]

On what do we blame heterosexual child molesters?

Democrats and Progressives

 

[buckwacker]

Like I said, all that doesn’t disprove the findings. Other research disputing that would be needed. But it does identify possible bias.

If I can find it again I recently saw a study on lesbian gorillas. The study sought to look into the question of how such traits get passed on when these gorillas don’t mate with males. They explored social, environmental, and pathological causes, as well as inherited traits that might trigger it. But they we’re definitely describing excusive female/female relationships.

Firstly, do you ever wonder why all (loosely all) these studies are dated within the last decade or two. They seem to coincide with the normalization and acceptance of human homosexuality. Coincidence?

Secondly, why are we looking at animal behavior to rationalize or justify human behavior? Do we really want to go down that road? I mean if that's the standard, pedophilia should be normal and acceptable. We aren't animals and we shouldn't look to the animal kingdom to justify our behavior.

 

[jamil]

The animal kingdom also practices infanticide, too; such a when a new lion wins leadership of the pride and kills his rivals cubs so the females will come back into heat and he won't have to raise children not of his bloodline

Shall we go there, too?

Maybe cherry-picking nature for examples of gayness isn't quite the best argument

No one was justifying behavior. Just saying that the claim that it has to be nurture and can’t be nature is disproven with evidence that the behavior also happens among other species, and with no apparent “Satan made them do it” reasoning.

I think the bad argument is the one where the evidence is also the source, which is circular reasoning. Not that it can’t be Satan. It could be that. But if we’re gonna cite untestable, unfalsifiable causes, fine. It was aliens. They abducted the people and shot them with their gay ray. Prove me wrong.

 

[jamil]

Firstly, do you ever wonder why all (loosely all) these studies are dated within the last decade or two. They seem to coincide with the normalization and acceptance of human homosexuality. Coincidence?

Secondly, why are we looking at animal behavior to rationalize or justify human behavior? Do we really want to go down that road? I mean if that's the standard, pedophilia should be normal and acceptable. We aren't animals and we shouldn't look to the animal kingdom to justify our behavior.

The study on the lesbo gorillas was from like 2015, or 2016.

But, again, no one here is justifying behavior. I’m just saying that these studies suggest it’s not all nurture. I have no book that makes me have to doubt those findings.

It does not hurt me at all. I don’t need it to to be a certain way to protect a belief. From your perspective, if gayness is nature, it kinda calls into question certain beliefs especially among Protestants.

I don’t think it has to. Gayness, pedophilia, even killing one’s young, if those happen abnormally naturally, it doesn’t excuse anything. You still get to believe homosexual acts are sinful. It doesn’t need to hurt one’s Christian faith.

You don’t have to believe God made them that way. It’s a fallen world that brought disease and all sorts of things. Did God give my Dad cancer? Nah. He inherited some bad genes. And he practically swam in pesticides and herbicides for his garden. Some of that was nature and some of that was nurture.