Democrats want to Legalize Marijuana

[Ziggidy]

It makes my skin crawl when I see someone pulled over, and some creepy ba****ard is looking through all their windows and anything else they can see so they can be big heroes and bust them for things they voluntarily want to use. Sickening that so many have taken oaths and then readily wipe their asses with the document they took it to.

Very interesting. When should a LEO follow the law and when should he break the law?
According to you, when he follows the law he is a bast*rd (creepy one) but when he ignores the law he becomes a criminal himself.

Don’t be criticizing the LEO for doing his job, instead respect him for doing it. I think there are more creepy basta*ds in this world than creepy LEO’s.

 

[XMil]

Very interesting. When should a LEO follow the law and when should he break the law?
According to you, when he follows the law he is a bast*rd (creepy one) but when he ignores the law he becomes a criminal himself.

Don’t be criticizing the LEO for doing his job, instead respect him for doing it. I think there are more creepy basta*ds in this world than creepy LEO’s.

I'll criticize whomever I choose. So you think that no matter what the law, it should be enforced. Will you have that same idea when some politician signs a gun ban?

 

[NoAdmiration]

I do not, nor have I ever smoked pot. No, I'm the one guy that was never interested in it.

I do not recommend smoking pot. It's not as safe as proponents like to suggest, and is not the magical panacea that they seem to think it is. If you like getting high, just say that. But it can make you stupider over time.

Even so, I think it should be legal.

I can't see how cigarettes and booze are legal but pot is not and I tend to err on the side of more freedom not less.

That being said, it should be treated like alcohol, which means limited public use. This is the part most states get wrong. They treat it like cigarettes' and it just isn't.

You shouldn't smoke with driving, in parks, or in any place where children are present.

If a group of people is smoking, I would prefer to be somewhere else, but this goes for cigarettes as well as pot.

Also, when I'm 90 and everything hurts I might like some special brownies to help the days pass by. At least I'd like the option.

Lastly, I am no Democrat.

 

[NoAdmiration]

You don't think there could be an anti-decadence voting faction that sees encouraging young people to fritter away their lives getting high as perhaps a low percentage move?

I think we need to differentiate between a bad idea and something enforced by law. Being overweight is a bad idea but I wouldn't want cops arresting fat people.

Down that road lies totalitarianism.

Also frittering away youth is kind of the point of being young. Young people are stupid. That's kind of their job.

 

[Angrysauce]

Very interesting. When should a LEO follow the law and when should he break the law?
According to you, when he follows the law he is a bast*rd (creepy one) but when he ignores the law he becomes a criminal himself.

Don’t be criticizing the LEO for doing his job, instead respect him for doing it. I think there are more creepy basta*ds in this world than creepy LEO’s.

1.) Criticism of the State, by extension it's Law Enforcement, is not only one's right; it is imperative to governmental accountability. Those in power should be critiqued and their actions scrutinized. History is an excellent teacher in this regard.

2.) You become a creepy b*stard when your involvement in "public saftey" turns into an unwarranted intrusion into someone's life because you find their habits reprehensible. Anyone who thinks possession of weed, let alone use, means they deserve a cavity search and being caged with actual violent felons would be aptly called a b*stard.

3.) For many years, anti-miscegenation laws were in many State's criminal codes. Many thought the idea of interracial marriage or sexual relationships (gasp) were a great social ill and should be jailable offenses.
Law doesn't determine morality and often flies in the face of the Constitution. I would argue it would be a moral imperative, under the Constitution, to ignore such laws and hold great contempt for those who fight to uphold this system.

My .

 

[bwframe]

Funny thing about cars getting pulled over, (and whatever may come of it.)

Often folks find that when they no longer get intoxicated and drive, the cops no longer "pick on them." Huh?...

 

[Notalentbum]

Funny thing about cars getting pulled over, (and whatever may come of it.)

Often folks find that when they no longer get intoxicated and drive, the cops no longer "pick on them." Huh?...

I can say that I have never been pulled over except when I was obviously speeding. That’s 45+ years of driving. I’m amazed I’m not pulled over way more often, red Camaro and almost alway 10-20mph over speed limit.

 

[XMil]

2.) You become a creepy b*stard when your involvement in "public saftey" turns into an unwarranted intrusion into someone's life because you find their habits reprehensible. Anyone who thinks possession of weed, let alone use, means they deserve a cavity search and being caged with actual violent felons would be aptly called a b*stard.

How about a roadside body cavity search. As far as I'm concerned, this man was sexually assaulted by a government agent out in broad daylight. Over THE SUSPICION of marijuana. It is one of the most atrocious things I've ever seen and should have been national news. I promise most people never heard of it. There doesn't seem to be a limit on how low they will go in the "war on drugs".

I am a veteran of a foreign war. I signed up and risked getting killed, maimed, poisoned, captured, tortured etc to prevent this kind of oppression.

 

[Angrysauce]

How about a roadside body cavity search. As far as I'm concerned, this man was sexually assaulted by a government agent out in broad daylight. Over THE SUSPICION of marijuana. It is one of the most atrocious things I've ever seen and should have been national news. I promise most people never heard of it. There doesn't seem to be a limit on how low they will go in the "war on drugs".

I am a veteran of a foreign war. I signed up and risked getting killed, maimed, poisoned, captured, tortured etc to prevent this kind of oppression.

NJSP in Toms River if I recall. I was born and raised in Ocean County. If ever a jack boot, distopian, bunch of thugs did exist, it's the NJSP.
Also believe this cased a 6 figure settlement.

 

[Ziggidy]

Law doesn't determine morality and often flies in the face of the Constitution. I would argue it would be a moral imperative, under the Constitution, to ignore such laws and hold great contempt for those who fight to uphold this system.

My .

I agree, law does not determine morality, sometimes it is the other way around and sometime one has nothing to do with the other. Regardless, it’s the law and we are bound by it until we change it. Until that time, we abide or we accept the consequences. To expect or demand others to put their lives and careers on the line by committing a crime to make you happy when you decide not to follow the law, is just crazy and selfish.

What you speak of happens all the time. Criminals getting slaps on the hand, early releases and such happens all the time. When LEO’s do not do their job, people complain. When LEO’s do their job, people complain. When you drive by a LEO who is shining their light into a car you call them a bast*rd when in fact you know nothing about the situation. Sometimes shining that light could recover something of great importance, you do not know. We all have heard of situations where a major crime has been stopped because of a routine pullover. Praise the LEO for doing their job.

IMO, you can speak against the current laws but until they are changed, don’t blackball LEO’s who do their job. People who do that are, IMHO, the creepy bast*rds. Let’s support LEO’s for what they do, especially in today’s world.

My 2 cents

 

[KLB]

Funny thing about cars getting pulled over, (and whatever may come of it.)

Often folks find that when they no longer get intoxicated and drive, the cops no longer "pick on them." Huh?...

Oh really? I was pulled over last year for supposedly failing to signal a lane change at 7AM on a Sunday morning. I turned right onto US 30 in the right lane, moved to the left lane and then into a left run lane in about a 1/4 mile. I'm pretty sure I did actually signal every turn too.

Total fishing expedition. Officer wanted to play 20 questions and run my license. When asked where I was going, I asked him why. That ended the questions and he sent me on my way with an oral warning.

 

[Ziggidy]

How about a roadside body cavity search. As far as I'm concerned, this man was sexually assaulted by a government agent out in broad daylight. Over THE SUSPICION of marijuana. It is one of the most atrocious things I've ever seen and should have been national news. I promise most people never heard of it. There doesn't seem to be a limit on how low they will go in the "war on drugs".

I am a veteran of a foreign war. I signed up and risked getting killed, maimed, poisoned, captured, tortured etc to prevent this kind of oppression.

Do you always judge a sector of society based on the ignorance a few?

All cops are bad?

What else is on your list?

 

[KLB]

Do you always judge a sector of society based on the ignorance a few?

All cops are bad?

What else is on your list?

The bad thing is the drug war that drives police to pull cars over for every excuse to search for drugs and cash.

 

[XMil]

Do you always judge a sector of society based on the ignorance a few?

All cops are bad?

What else is on your list?

You didn't answer my question. I will however answer yours.

1. No, I never do. However, I see some groups on this forum get demonized all the time based on basically no evidence. Are you calling that out too?

2. No.

3. Not sure what you are asking.

However, 25% of arrests in the US are for drugs. Meaning, if taken one way: victimless crimes or another way of saying it, free individual choice. Or taken another way, possibly people with substance abuse issues a.ka. MEDICAL issues. Confiscating people's things, destroying their property, participating in the chain of events that ends up getting them labeled "felons", isn't helping them and it's not heroic. 25% is more than just a few.

Saying that you think voluntarily enforcing laws, no matter how immoral or harmful they are, is in my mind pretty scary. There is a pretty obvious historical precedent I am trying to avoid mentioning, but "just following orders" is how real oppression happens and it takes a pretty sick person to do it. I think people voluntarily participating in that go against the very foundation of liberty.

 

[Ziggidy]

The bad thing is the drug war that drives police to pull cars over for every excuse to search for drugs and cash.

Is it the “war on drugs” that caused this or is it the openness of drug usage? I see it the other way. It’s like much of the other ”in your face crimes” that occur today. Theft, rage, threats, violence and so much more. IOW, if the police were not successful in their drug profiling maybe it would stop; however, I do not think it is as bad as one makes it. What percentage of cars are actually profiled and out of that what percentage are let go versus those who are actually busted?

I believe most LEO’s are leaning towards leniency. Besides, how many do you know are in jail for weed? Maybe fined for the crime they committed.

Likewise, how may further break the law by completing a 4473 when they know better?

Yes, it’s a mess. Until the law changes, it is still a law and the LEO is obligated to do their job. We are obligated to follow the law or suffer the consequences.

One answer, change the law - both in the state and federally……..then watch the real problems arise.

 

[Ziggidy]

However, 25% of arrests in the US are for drugs.

How is that 25% broken down?

You then bring up victimless crimes, I find that interesting when people claim that. Really no such thing. Everyone is a victim, the criminal, their family, their workplace, the healthcare faculty, the LEO…..one of your so called victimless crimes actually touch on many lives.

What percentage of drug stops prevent further crimes? Prevent deaths? Prevent car accidents?

You can call the LEO’s creepy bast*rds but I will support them. A large majority do the right thing, want to do the right thing. Calling them names is not the answer. Their job is hard enough, don’t make it harder.

We will have to walk away disagreeing.

 

[Angrysauce]

It's mind numbing.
Those that say "not all cops" , lump all users of marijuana in with criminals.
Those that say "all gun laws are infringements" , d*ckride officers for enforcing laws that are obtuse and clearly immoral.
Those who champion "individual liberty" , want to dictate what others can ingest.
"Well, the law is the law. Just doing their jobs. Back the Blue. Gobbless"

 

[XMil]

How is that 25% broken down?

You then bring up victimless crimes, I find that interesting when people claim that. Really no such thing. Everyone is a victim, the criminal, their family, their workplace, the healthcare faculty, the LEO…..one of your so called victimless crimes actually touch on many lives.

What percentage of drug stops prevent further crimes? Prevent deaths? Prevent car accidents?

You can call the LEO’s creepy bast*rds but I will support them. A large majority do the right thing, want to do the right thing. Calling them names is not the answer. Their job is hard enough, don’t make it harder.

We will have to walk away disagreeing.

Ok, this is my last comment to you, since you are not discussing openly. You have ignored several questions. I suspect because you know can't really make your case logically.

First of all they are people. Degrading them by relegating them to "criminals" is dehumanizing. Second, your logic is flawed. Someone harming themselves with drugs is exactly no worse than doing so with alcohol or junk food. Two things by the way that have a way more devastating effect on our nation than drugs, especially marijuana.

 

[BugI02]

It's mind numbing.
Those that say "not all cops" , lump all users of marijuana in with criminals.
Those that say "all gun laws are infringements" , d*ckride officers for enforcing laws that are obtuse and clearly immoral.
Those who champion "individual liberty" , want to dictate what others can ingest.
"Well, the law is the law. Just doing their jobs. Back the Blue. Gobbless"

As this subject keeps reappearing from time to time, I notice that the same people who insist they just want to use at home and not while out operating a motor vehicle seem to be complaining about encounters with police about drugs when they are ... yeah, you guessed it ... operating a motor vehicle

 

[Route 45]

Until the law changes, it is still a law and the LEO is obligated to do their job.

Depends on what you mean by "do their job." Officer discretion comes into play on every run and on every traffic stop.