Daylight Saving Time

[jamil]

I don't stay up later on weekend nights. My body starts shutting down around 9:00 pm. I am in bed between 9 and 10, and generally asleep by 10.

Well go to bed then. No one is stopping you.

 

[chipbennett]

Just about every business that works outdoors?

For such businesses, the impact of available daylight really doesn't change by changing the clocks - even assuming that such work cannot be performed using manmade light. Such work will either start in the dark and end while still light, or start when light and end after dark. Indiana just doesn't have enough hours of daylight during certain months of the year to make clock-changing meaningful.

Further: many such businesses can't conduct work outside during those months, anyway, because it's winter.

 

[foszoe]

Are we all starting to sound like the federal gov't? I know what is best for me and therefore it must be best for you?

 

[sharkey]

What activities require daylight (i.e. absolutely cannot be performed using manmade lighting)?

In the Year Of Our Lord 2022, I doubt there is a single, such activity.

Charging solar powered work lights seems like a challenge.

 

[Ingomike]

[Citation Needed]

I believe that. I said it. That is good enough for me. You can believe what you want.

I would love to go back to the days when one could say what common sense dictated to them without others demanding a source. I can think. I am over the constant appeals to authority. People cannot even think for themselves anymore.

 

[Ingomike]

What is the actual, total cost of continual clock-changing?

Don’t really care, that is not my point…

 

[Ingomike]

What activities require daylight (i.e. absolutely cannot be performed using manmade lighting)?

In the Year Of Our Lord 2022, I doubt there is a single, such activity.

Golf, boating activities, gardening, and it is damned hard to shoot at a home range in the dark, just off the top of my head.

 

[foszoe]

Golf, boating activities, gardening, and it us damned hard to shoot at a home range in the dark, just off the top of my head.

May I suggest adding thermal and NV?

 

[Ingomike]

For such businesses, the impact of available daylight really doesn't change by changing the clocks - even assuming that such work cannot be performed using manmade light. Such work will either start in the dark and end while still light, or start when light and end after dark. Indiana just doesn't have enough hours of daylight during certain months of the year to make clock-changing meaningful.

Further: many such businesses can't conduct work outside during those months, anyway, because it's winter.

The daylight available relative to work, school, and noise ordinances does change.

 

[chipbennett]

You don’t *need* a suppressor. You could use ear pro. To that, you would obviously say, uh. I get to decide what I prefer.

If I like working in the garden after work, you want me to buy portable lighting to drag 100 yards out to the garden? Nah. I don’t *need* to do anything special. I already have DST. So it stays light enough, long enough, that I can do what I please. You want it your way, so you require me to do something extra?

I'm talking about requirements, not preferences. The latter is a non sequitur. I asked what business activities require sunlight.

If you want a suppressor, you go out and buy one. You don't use the government to mandate that everyone else buy one.

I'm not requiring anything at all of you. You, on the other hand, are requiring me to change my clocks, to suit your desire not to use portable lighting.

 

[chipbennett]

Well go to bed then. No one is stopping you.

Nothing stops me from going to bed. I'm not sure how this is a useful retort?

 

[chipbennett]

Charging solar powered work lights seems like a challenge.

Changing clocks doesn't alter the amount of available sunlight each day to charge solar-powered work lights. Not sure where you're going with this one.

 

[chipbennett]

I believe that. I said it. That is good enough for me. You can believe what you want.

I would love to go back to the days when one could say what common sense dictated to them without others demanding a source. I can think. I am over the constant appeals to authority. People cannot even think for themselves anymore.

Then, you're not really here to debate, are you? "It is true because I believe it to be true" is specious and tautological.

 

[chipbennett]

Don’t really care, that is not my point…

Then why use "changing clocks is free" as an argument?

 

[chipbennett]

Golf, boating activities, gardening, and it is damned hard to shoot at a home range in the dark, just off the top of my head.

Golfing and boating can be done using manmade lighting, as can shooting at a home range.

But, pray tell: how much golfing, boating, or gardening are being done during the winter months, when any of this matters?

 

[chipbennett]

The daylight available relative to work, school, and noise ordinances does change.

So, again: how much boating, golfing, gardening, or gun-range shooting did you do after work last week?

 

[Ingomike]

So, again: how much boating, golfing, gardening, or gun-range shooting did you do after work last week?

It is the summer we change for, we change back to normal for winter. I couldn’t care lees if we did move back in the fall, I posted above I am good with 8:30 sunrise and 6:30 sunsets this week but it is a compromise to those who do not, that we move back for the peak of the winter to more equally balance the available daylight to workday…

 

[chipbennett]

It is the summer we change for, we change back to normal for winter. I couldn’t care lees if we did move back in the fall, I posted above I am good with 8:30 sunrise and 6:30 sunsets this week but it is a compromise to those who do not, that we move back for the peak of the winter to more equally balance the available daylight to workday…

Okay, then: how much boating, golfing, gardening, or gun-range shooting did you do at 9:00 in the evening last June?

 

[Ingomike]

Then, you're not really here to debate, are you? "It is true because I believe it to be true" is specious and tautological.

Yes I will debate all day. I generally tired of debating those that do not debate the topic but rather debate if your source is better than mine. A debate (I prefer discussion because I hope I learn rather than win) is about what we know, not what source is better…

 

[Ingomike]

I'm talking about requirements, not preferences. The latter is a non sequitur. I asked what business activities require sunlight.

If you want a suppressor, you go out and buy one. You don't use the government to mandate that everyone else buy one.

I'm not requiring anything at all of you. You, on the other hand, are requiring me to change my clocks, to suit your desire not to use portable lighting.

No one is requiring you to do ANYTHING related to time. There is no law nor any authority that requires others to observe time. Time itself is a government construct. That those that use time debate and pass agreements as to what time it is is a normal function of government.

Now if one want to function in society, it is very convenient to use their time construct. At the end of the day that is the crux of this whole discussion, how will society interact relative to day and night…