PLEASE, PLEASE, correct this lie every time you hear it. We are not a democracy, we are a Constitutional Republic.

[Sigblaster]

Biden repeated this lie so many times tonight. Of course he would, because he's a democrat. Don't let anyone you know repeat this lie.

We are a Constitutional Republic, and if you don't know the difference, please research it.

 

[BigRed]

And it is the united States plural, not singular.

 

[GranolaFacility]

You are 100% correct, of course, but we live in a world like 1984 where words don't mean what they should. "Democracy" has simply come to mean "the good" in the eyes of a good number of our countrymen. It will do no good to correct them on this point. It will go right over their heads.

 

[Sigblaster]

And it is the united States plural, not singular.

Yes. I had to explain to my sister in law that we are states united under a federal government, not a nation with state boundaries. That there is a reason why some powers were defined as being in the federal government's purview, and the rest were kept by the states. That's why overturning Roe v. Wade was the correct decision. It is not within the federal government's authority to regulate.

 

[Sigblaster]

For many years, I have been educating family, friends, and neighbors on the difference between a democracy and a Constitutional Republic, and a collection of states that have united rather than a federal government that has created state boundaries. Most of the time, I can flip that switch. Sometimes though, people want that democracy, they want mob rule, they want to take it to its natural conclusion, where the people are subordinate to the federal government, as are the states.

 

[edporch]

My copy of the US Constitution says in Article IV Section 4. "The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, ...".
And the word "democracy" or any variation of the word is not to be found in our founding documents.

IT'S IMPORTANT to Democrats and others that want to rob us of the unalienable enumerated rights our constitutional republic has to get us into the mindset that we're just a "democracy".

Then there are no unalienable rights like our Bill of Rights, and our rights at any given time are JUST what 50% plus 1 vote say they are.

So this often repeated lie that we're a "democracy" is by design and with a purpose.

 

[DadSmith]

Biden repeated this lie so many times tonight. Of course he would, because he's a democrat. Don't let anyone you know repeat this lie.

We are a Constitutional Republic, and if you don't know the difference, please research it.

I do it whenever I hear it in conversation.
I'm surprised at how many think we have a democracy.
When you explain the differences they look at you dumbfounded.

 

[DeadeyeChrista'sdad]

LOL I got a c in history when I did A work because the teacher didn't know the difference. And I was an insufferable smart aleck. Not like now.

 

[rob63]

We are both a Constitutional Republic and a Representative Democracy. The terms are NOT mutually exclusive, and neither of them adequately explains that our government consists of elected representatives that are supposed to be limited by a constitution. The term "Republic" merely indicates that we don't have a monarchy or similar concentration of power, but fails to indicate that we have elected representatives, so it is inadequate. Likewise, democracy fails to indicate that we have constitutional limitation on government power. Constitutional Representative Democracy would be a better description.

 

[jwamplerusa]

Yes. I had to explain to my sister in law that we are states united under a federal government, not a nation with state boundaries. That there is a reason why some powers were defined as being in the federal government's purview, and the rest were kept by the states. That's why overturning Roe v. Wade was the correct decision. It is not within the federal government's authority to regulate.

I have also taken to suggesting to our State Attorney General he work with other like minded States to begin suing the Federal Government using the Preamble to the BoRs and Ninth and Tenth Amendments. The States need to grow a pair and push back as have some of their citizens.

Like you I find that far to many American's have never actually read the Constitution, or really any of our founding documents. They only know what some talking head in the box told them, or read on the 'net.

 

[jamil]

Sure. It's a constitutional republic. No one but idiots think when people refer to it as a democracy, that they're talking about a pure democracy. The US is a constitutional republic, which is also a representative democracy. Ordinary citizens voting for the people who make the laws, and voting for a president in an electoral college, IS DEMOCRATIC! It's not wrong to talk about democracy when talking about the US. But people still go on as if the two are mutually exclusive.

So this is what's wrong with blathering on, denying our democracy. The Democrats are claiming that "MAGA is destroying democracy!" THAT is the real lie that needs to be addressed. But. Meanwhile, actual MAGA is denying that it IS EVEN a democracy. That's not helping fellas. Knock that **** off and start attacking the claim that MAGA is destroying it. MAGA is desperately trying to save our democracy, our constitution, our Republic, from the real enemies of the same. Marginalizing your enemies and taking away their voices is NOT democratic.

 

[jamil]

We are both a Constitutional Republic and a Representative Democracy. The terms are NOT mutually exclusive, and neither of them adequately explains that our government consists of elected representatives that are supposed to be limited by a constitution. The term "Republic" merely indicates that we don't have a monarchy or similar concentration of power, but fails to indicate that we have elected representatives, so it is inadequate. Likewise, democracy fails to indicate that we have constitutional limitation on government power. Constitutional Representative Democracy would be a better description.

Generally "democracy" refers to a form of government where the political power is held by the people. We call our nation of the people, by the people, and for the people. And I get it, in real life, those are merely platitudes spoken by politicians of the day. We function more like an oligarchy. But officially, the people have the power to choose representatives to make laws. That makes the US generally a democracy. It's retarded to deny that part of it. Were also a republic in that we don't have a monarchy. The form of Republic is democratic, because the people who have power to make laws are delegated from the people as their representatives. That's a democratic process. it's not wrong to call that a democracy. It's just more specific to call us a Constitutional Republic, because our constitution dictates the democratic means by which government representatives are chosen.

I don't know why people keep acting like the two are mutually exclusive, other than some influencers over time have tried to make a distinction, and then people just follow it.

 

[jamil]

LOL I got a c in history when I did A work because the teacher didn't know the difference. And I was an insufferable smart aleck. Not like now.

Or, maybe the difference is less than you thought and it really was C work?

 

[jamil]

I do it whenever I hear it in conversation.
I'm surprised at how many think we have a democracy.
When you explain the differences they look at you dumbfounded.

"Because, ya see here. 'Murica is NOT A DEMOCRACY. We're a Republic!"



That kind of look?

There's more than one way to be a republic. China is a Republic.

 

[DeadeyeChrista'sdad]

Or, maybe the difference is less than you thought and it really was C work?

Just for Jamil, I'll explain. It wasn't that the teacher didn't know the difference between C and A work. It's that he didn't know the difference between a democracy and a republic. Eventually he was forced to admit that he hadn't really understood the difference, and that annoyed him. So I got a C.

 

[jamil]

Just for Jamil, I'll explain. It wasn't that the teacher didn't know the difference between C and A work. It's that he didn't know the difference between a democracy and a republic. Eventually he was forced to admit that he hadn't really understood the difference, and that annoyed him. So I got a C.

That wasn't what I alleged. There aren't many examples of direct democracies in the world now. So no one thinks that "democracy" refers to pure, direct, majority rule, democracy. Most of the democracies in the world are republics. There are a few are parliamentary monarchies that operate as democracies. Like GB, and Canada.

When people say "democracy" they're talking about self-rule in some way. For the US, that way is through elected representatives by the people. It's not incorrect to call the US a democracy. If your teacher admitted to what you seem to be saying, he was an idiot to do so. But, if your work was based on the US being a democratic republic, then you probably did A work. And if your work was based on denying the democratic component, then you probably did C work, because you missed an important component of our republic: democratic representation.

 

[DeadeyeChrista'sdad]

"an important component of our republic: democratic representation."

Ok pal. Have a good day.

 

[jamil]

"an important component of our republic: democratic representation."

Ok pal. Have a good day.

I'm not trying to drag you about it. I'd just like for us to collectively stop this nonsense. Every time Democrats claim maga is destroying democracy, someone goes off saying, 'Murica ain't no democracy. I mean, to them, it sounds like you're making their point. it's not helpful to deny the democracy. Because though it is a constitutional republic, it IS also a democracy. It's not a pure democracy. It's not a direct democracy. It's a representative democracy. So instead of denying it, counter-attack their claim at face value. It's not "democratic" for them to marginalize and silence everyone who disagrees with them. It is they who are the real enemies of real ass democracy (self rule), which as a rule in the world, nearly every democracy is representative in some way.

 

[jamil]

I guess I should just have responded to this thread more succinctly.

When someone says Trump and supporters are trying to destroy our democracy, the lie isn’t that the US is a democracy. The lie is that Trump and his supporters are destroying it. So just go with refuting that and don’t let the D-word twist your panties so much.

 

[JettaKnight]