FBI raids Trumps home

[HoosierLife]

Trump got the most minority votes of any republican president in the last 50 years. His outreach was unprecedented…

They literally changed the Facebook targeting options for ads one month before the 2020 elections.

You used to be able to target people by race, income, etc.

He used that so effectively in 2016 and then the Cambridge Analytica stuff came out and the tech left literally neutered their advertising targeting to prevent Trump from getting his targeted messages to the people he wanted to speak directly to.

 

[chipbennett]

Not really on Reddit, so let me get this straight… the right equates somewhat with authoritarian, but also equates with lower taxes?

If that’s the case it’s just more redefinition of words, and mis- painting to cast aspersions.

I assume it's the Left-Right, Authoritarian-Libertarian quadrant plot. There are both Left and Right Authoritarians and Left and Right Libertarians.

 

[chipbennett]

I don't Reddit, so that's not informative. But what you've described doesn't really sound "Left" to me, enough to identify as "Lefty". So then are you "Lefty" gunner because you're left-handed? I mean. If you're communist, whatevs. Who on the left is not these days? But left-handed? Is that even allowed on INGO?

Well, I guess I'll leave now. It was nice knowing you, INGO.

 

[jamil]

Here is the test people are generally talking about, it's just a very loose gauge.

The World’s Smallest Political Quiz

Discover your REAL political views with The World’s Smallest Political Quiz.

www.theadvocates.org

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I don't like that mapping. You can be libertarian, and conservative, or progressive all the way to the most extreme corners of the map. For example, BigRed doesn't fit well on that map. He is very conservative. Very libertarian. At least in terms of wanting to abolish the central state. So he's close to an anarcho-capitalist. And that viewpoint can't be mapped on that compass. On the other side of it, the anarcho-communists, like most of Antifa, can't be mapped on that compass.



This map allows for more accurate mapping of political views in my opinion. But I think a definition of "sane" needs to be included. So imagine a circle centered in the middle, the edges of which intersects the axes about 2/3 towards the edges of the square. I'd call that the sane middle. So if you're mapped outside of that circle, you're in the bat-**** crazy zone. So Gary Johnson would be mapped just outside of the sane circle but still in the green quadrant.

Antifa would be mapped in the most extreme lower left corner, well outside the sane zone. If you're willing to do violence to force your political goals on everyone else, you're far outside of the sane zone.

 

[jamil]

Well, I guess I'll leave now. It was nice knowing you, INGO.

Oh dude. You've crushed my regard of you. How could you be....a lefty.

 

[chipbennett]

I don't like that mapping. You can be libertarian, and conservative, or progressive all the way to the most extreme corners of the map. For example, BigRed doesn't fit well on that map. He is very conservative. Very libertarian. At least in terms of wanting to abolish the central state. So he's close to an anarcho-capitalist. And that viewpoint can't be mapped on that compass. On the other side of it, the anarcho-communists, like most of Antifa, can't be mapped on that compass.


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This map allows for more accurate mapping of political views in my opinion. But I think a definition of "sane" needs to be included. So imagine a circle centered in the middle, the edges of which intersects the axes about 2/3 towards the edges of the square. I'd call that the sane middle. So if you're mapped outside of that circle, you're in the bat-**** crazy zone. So Gary Johnson would be mapped just outside of the sane circle but still in the green quadrant.

Antifa would be mapped in the most extreme lower left corner, well outside the sane zone. If you're willing to do violence to force your political goals on everyone else, you're far outside of the sane zone.

Superimpose Keith_Indy's diamond on top of this quadrant plot (as the sanity boundaries), and I think you might be just about there...

 

[chipbennett]

Oh dude. You've crushed my regard of you. How could you be....a lefty.

I've always been good at failing to conform to expectations.

 

[KG1]

You might be (?) surprised to learn that you and I could probably find a lot of common ground.

The default is to focus on the differences to divide us instead of searching for common ground to unite us. A lot of entities have a vested interest in division.

 

[jamil]

Not really on Reddit, so let me get this straight… the right equates somewhat with authoritarian, but also equates with lower taxes?

If that’s the case it’s just more redefinition of words, and mis- painting to cast aspersions.

I don't think he was saying that the right, exclusively, equates with authoritarian right. He was drawing a contrast for what makes him libertarian and not on the right. He has a libertarian view on taxes, but does not have an authoritarian view. At least that's what I got out of it.

There are authoritarians on the left, obviously. And there are authoritarians on the right. Dick Cheney strikes me as an authoritarian conservative.

 

[KG1]

Well, I guess I'll leave now. It was nice knowing you, INGO.

 

[Keith_Indy]

Oh dude. You've crushed my regard of you. How could you be....a lefty.

I think the beard makes up for it.

 

[jamil]

If you plot my views on Reddit’s “Political Compass Meme” you‘ll see a lot of noise in the signal because my views plot all over…however the overall trend plots strongly across the “libertarian“ axis, and moderately across the “left” axis. Relatively few of my beliefs track along the “authoritarian” or “right” axis…with the exception of taxation.

I see myself as an independent, but I relate more strongly to democrats than republicans in most situations.

I‘m not woke, I dismiss race theory as inherently Racist (capital r), and view *critical* race theory as mental masturbation.

I‘m not concerned with “small government” because the US is enormous, it makes sense that our goverment would be as well…but I am deeply concerned with good governance, accountability, and transparency in government, and Dems are the only party even giving lip service to those ideals…repubs have gone full cult of personality on Trump, to the point of abandoning their platform in order to appease trump’s desires.

My views on communism? Coerced collectivism is abhorrent, voluntary collectivism is fine. Ownership of the means of production? Entrepreneurship accomplishes that better than central state action can.

My views on capitalism? It‘s the best system we have found, but there are issues with scaling. As economies grow capitalism tends to centralize power into the hands of a few as well as any system does.

Hillary seems Teflon-coated, the Clinton’s bodies seem to stay well buried, it would take a force of nature to nail her down.

Fauci? What did he do that rises to a criminal level? To me he’s just a worker bee, passing on the decrees of the bureaucracy.

Pelosi? Seems like the SEC would be the group to look into her.

I have no problems with investigating or prosecuting anyone who abuses their office. Dems are not sacred cows to me. I tend to vote for them, but I do not count myself among them.

Looks like I missed your edit. But regarding the highlighted, have you been breathing during the last 2 years? Transparency? Are you ****ing kidding me? The Trump administration wasn't all that transparent. But Biden? Holy ****! That ****sucker is off the rails!

 

[jamil]

Superimpose Keith_Indy's diamond on top of this quadrant plot (as the sanity boundaries), and I think you might be just about there...

Actually, that's not a bad idea. I hadn't seen that map before, and at first, I thought, okay. That represents what is possible. But it doesn't map all the possible political views a person has. But yeah, instead of a circle of sanity, the diamond inside the square seems like a reasonable boundary of sanity.

Like I said, it's possible to believe in a world that is anarcho-commuist. But that's a delusion and not actually possible for humans. It's outside of the diamond. And is therefore bat **** crazy.

 

[KG1]

Back on topic somewhat. The scuttlebutt now going around is that there was a secret service agent informant on the inside who tipped the FBi and the DOJ off that there were concerning top secret documents in Trump's possession at Mar-a-Lago.

 

[mmpsteve]

Looks like I missed your edit. But regarding the highlighted, have you been breathing during the last 2 years? Transparency? Are you ****ing kidding me? The Trump administration wasn't all that transparent. But Biden? Holy ****! That ****sucker is off the rails!

How can you say that the Trump admin was not transparent, when he literally tweeted every thought that crossed his mind.?

That said, when I look at conditions in January of '21 compared with current conditions, he'll have my vote if he is the nominee.

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[jamil]

I wouldn’t believe this until the warrant comes out. And even then, there’s no upside for Trump to retain nuclear secrets (unless it shows corruption in the government.)

FBI Raided Mar-A-Lago To Search For ‘Top Secret’ Documents On ‘Nuclear Weapons,’ Report Claims | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

“If that is true, it would suggest that material residing unlawfully at Mar-a-Lago may have been classified at the highest classification level,” said David Laufman, the former chief of the Justice Department’s counterintelligence section, which investigates leaks of classified information. “If the FBI and the Department of Justice believed there were top secret materials still at Mar-a-Lago, that would lend itself to greater ‘hair-on-fire’ motivation to recover that material as quickly as possible.”

So three months and change before a midterm election in which it's very likely the democrats will lose control of one or both houses of congress, they just now find out that Trump has top secret documents on nuclear weapons? Really? I kinda doubt that this just came up. So now "hair-on-fire" time? Let's say the timing makes me quite skeptical.

 

[Keith_Indy]

I believe this is were the other map is from... no political test would capture every single aspect, they are just rough gauges. But this has been covered in other threads in the past. Problems with the tests, the bias of questions and assumptions. And so on, and so on.

The Political Compass

A typology of political opinions plotted on 2 dimensions: economic and social.

www.politicalcompass.org

 

[jamil]

How can you say that the Trump admin was not transparent, when he literally tweeted every thought that crossed his mind.?

That said, when I look at conditions in January of '21 compared with current conditions, he'll have my vote if he is the nominee.

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Mine too. However, there's more to transparency than blathering your every thought, even the incoherent ones, out to the public. Trump was very transparent about his own thoughts. He was not so transparent when it came to revealing things that might show him in bad light. And those are the ones that matter. The benefit of transparency is accountability. It's not good enough towards that end to be transparent about all the good stuff.

 

[jamil]

I believe this is were the other map is from... no political test would capture every single aspect, they are just rough gauges. But this has been covered in other threads in the past. Problems with the tests, the bias of questions and assumptions. And so on, and so on.

The Political Compass

A typology of political opinions plotted on 2 dimensions: economic and social.

www.politicalcompass.org

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Last time I took that I was quite a bit south of that but probably placed to the right about the same. If I took it again I might be a little less libertarian. I mean I thought all tax was theft back then.

 

[Keith_Indy]

“If that is true, it would suggest that material residing unlawfully at Mar-a-Lago may have been classified at the highest classification level,” said David Laufman, the former chief of the Justice Department’s counterintelligence section, which investigates leaks of classified information. “If the FBI and the Department of Justice believed there were top secret materials still at Mar-a-Lago, that would lend itself to greater ‘hair-on-fire’ motivation to recover that material as quickly as possible.”

So three months and change before a midterm election in which it's very likely the democrats will lose control of one or both houses of congress, they just now find out that Trump has top secret documents on nuclear weapons? Really? I kinda doubt that this just came up. So now "hair-on-fire" time? Let's say the timing makes me quite skeptical.

And none of that was discovered before hand in the investigations that already done.

Trump co-operated with every request, so yeah, the timing stinks on this.

Trump raid timeline: What led to the unprecedented search of Mar-a-Lago

Here are the key moments that led to the FBI’s unprecedented search of former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate.

nypost.com