July 4th parade shooting, Highland Park, IL

[Ark]

Maybe she has a fantasy?

"Oh my house is just full of fuel filters and drill presses! Sure hope a team of big strong ATF agents doesn't kick my door and detain me! Why, they could do anything!"

I'm sorry. People are dead. I shouldn't laugh. But loony toons mom and women's clothing has sent this mass shooter story careening into the surreal.

 

[KLB]

If a police report with suicidal thoughts and threatening to kill the whole family does not qualify to "red flag" an ATF 4473 call, what would?


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You are apparently convoluting two different things. Red Flag laws allow the .gov to take the guns from someone deemed to be dangerous. They do not make it so you cannot buy guns 2 years in the future.

If he had actually tried to kill someone, then maybe he would have been convicted of a crime and been unable to buy guns.

 

[chipbennett]

If a police report with suicidal thoughts and threatening to kill the whole family does not qualify to "red flag" an ATF 4473 call, what would?


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Due process is still a thing, right? And there's the rub. So-called "red flag" laws should be an immediate/urgent and temporary action, to protect someone from acting as a potential threat to self or others, until due process means can be used to determine the veracity of that threat, and the appropriate remedy.

 

[bwframe]

Due process is still a thing, right? And there's the rub. So-called "red flag" laws should be an immediate/urgent and temporary action, to protect someone from acting as a potential threat to self or others, until due process means can be used to determine the veracity of that threat, and the appropriate remedy.

Exactly. So how would you do it?

It looks as if they "red flagged" this kid from his blades? Because of the mental problems of threatening suicide and to kill others?

Then, not too long after, sell him firearms? How does NICS not see this police report?


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[jamil]

"Oh my house is just full of fuel filters and drill presses! Sure hope a team of big strong ATF agents doesn't kick my door and detain me! Why, they could do anything!"

I'm sorry. People are dead. I shouldn't laugh. But loony toons mom and women's clothing has sent this mass shooter story careening into the surreal.

It's fine to laugh in the face of tragedy. It's not laughing in the faces of the people who died.

About him wearing a dress, it seemed obvious to me it had a purpose. It looked like a planned escape. Dude probably thought he was a ****ing genius. Of course, it actually worked. He was all the way up in Madison before long, but then decided to come back for some reason.

 

[jsx1043]

That would be the U.S. military.

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That is not yellow, nor is it an issued pack used by any US military forces.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Exactly. So how would you do it?

It looks as if they "red flagged" this kid from his blades? Because of the mental problems of threatening suicide and to kill others?

Then, not too long after, sell him firearms? How does NICS not see this police report?


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because nobody reported it to NICS.

 

[duanewade]

Exactly. So how would you do it?

It looks as if they "red flagged" this kid from his blades? Because of the mental problems of threatening suicide and to kill others?

Then, not too long after, sell him firearms? How does NICS not see this police report?


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From what i read earlier today the Highland Park police never reported any of this to the state police otherwise the kid may never have been able to get the firearms.

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[jamil]

From what i read earlier today the Highland Park police never reported any of this to the state police otherwise the kid may never have been able to get the firearms legally.

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FIFY.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

because nobody reported it to NICS.

And they didn't report it because he wasn't charged with and convicted of a crime was he? 4473 only deals with convictions and adjudications (for mental illness). Those things didn't happen, so there was nothing to report to NICS.

 

[HoughMade]

Due process is still a thing, right? And there's the rub. So-called "red flag" laws should be an immediate/urgent and temporary action, to protect someone from acting as a potential threat to self or others, until due process means can be used to determine the veracity of that threat, and the appropriate remedy.

I've seen a bunch of headlines: "He threatened to kill everyone, but was not arrested."

My question: "arrested for what"?

 

[bwframe]

From what i read earlier today the Highland Park police never reported any of this to the state police otherwise the kid may never have been able to get the firearms.

Ain't that a can 'o worms?


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[Keith_Indy]

son: I'm going to kill you dad.

dad: here, let's go buy you some rifles. start with your mom...

ADDED: the original...

The killer awoke before dawn
He put his boots on
He took a face from the ancient gallery
And he walked on down the hall
He went into the room where his sister lived, and then he
Paid a visit to his brother, and then he
He walked on down the hall, and
And he came to a door
And he looked inside
"Father?" "Yes, son?" "I want to kill you"
"Mother? I want to..."

 

[chipbennett]

I've seen a bunch of headlines: "He threatened to kill everyone, but was not arrested."

My question: "arrested for what"?

Right. It might sound good in theory, but the devil's in the details. And at the risk of mixing metaphors: there be dragons.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

That is not yellow, nor is it an issued pack used by any US military forces.

Assault packs are used by the U.S. military forces, including the USMC's FILBE which is coyote, but in the sun & salt water could bleach it out to make it appear a shade of "yellow" to someone not looking that hard.

(I readily admit to speculating)

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I've seen a bunch of headlines: "He threatened to kill everyone, but was not arrested."

My question: "arrested for what"?

Illinois's version of our Intimidation is not as limited as ours IIRC.

 

[bwframe]

I'll ask again. How would you all handle this?


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[BiscuitsandGravy]

"Oh my house is just full of fuel filters and drill presses! Sure hope a team of big strong ATF agents doesn't kick my door and detain me! Why, they could do anything!"

I'm sorry. People are dead. I shouldn't laugh. But loony toons mom and women's clothing has sent this mass shooter story careening into the surreal.

When does the last spaceship leave Earth?

 

[BiscuitsandGravy]

I'll ask again. How would you all handle this?


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Good question...

 

[HoughMade]

I've seen a bunch of headlines: "He threatened to kill everyone, but was not arrested."

My question: "arrested for what"?

OK.

https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/fulltext.asp?DocName=072000050K12-6#:~:text=Intimidation%20is%20a%20Class%203,7%2D1%2D11%20.)

I guess I'll have to take a look at the context.