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    This. Is. B:poop:

    So The family working their butts off has to travel and try to find formula, but the poor mom sitting at home can just walk in and get as much as she is entitled to.

    There should be no exception. No matter how you are paying.

    EDIT: and another lady said her preemie was eligible for up to 6-7 cans a month through WIC.
    Can't say I disagree
     

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    This. Is. B:poop:

    So The family working their butts off has to travel and try to find formula, but the poor mom sitting at home can just walk in and get as much as she is entitled to.

    There should be no exception. No matter how you are paying.

    EDIT: and another lady said her preemie was eligible for up to 6-7 cans a month through WIC.
    Well, to be fair, WIC isn't just for "poor moms sitting at home". It's meant to be supplemental for working (usually single) moms that just aren't making enough to be able to afford day care, feed themselves and their children, etc.. Not saying it's not abused, but for many, it's a lifeline.

    Let me ask you this. I know you've said that you're a single income family and you're home schooling your kids. Now let's say something happens to you or for whatever reason your income is no longer in the picture. Would you begrudge your wife the assistance she needs to feed your kids?
     

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    This. Is. B:poop:

    So The family working their butts off has to travel and try to find formula, but the poor mom sitting at home can just walk in and get as much as she is entitled to.

    There should be no exception. No matter how you are paying.

    EDIT: and another lady said her preemie was eligible for up to 6-7 cans a month through WIC.
    Can't say I disagree, I was just pointing out the why. If WIC gave out vouchers for individual cans, then... It also wouldn't surprise me if in the agreement to accept WIC they weren't allowed to limit quantities to less than the voucher amount.

    Also not all the moms who get it are sitting at home, there are quite a few working moms who meet the income criteria. Especially single moms.
     

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    Can't say I disagree, I was just pointing out the why. If WIC gave out vouchers for individual cans, then... It also wouldn't surprise me if in the agreement to accept WIC they weren't allowed to limit quantities to less than the voucher amount.

    Also not all the moms who get it are sitting at home, there are quite a few working moms who meet the income criteria. Especially single moms.
    One thing I don't agree with for the WIC program is that only certain brands are WIC eligible. In many cases those aren't the most economic brands. In that regard it would make more sense to have it be more like food stamps. If you're entitled to 2 gallons of milk a week and you can find milk on sale somewhere, then that should be eligible. You shouldn't be forced to buy Dean's or Prairie Farms or whatever just because the store brand isn't on the approved list. That would stretch out how far the cost of providing WIC could go.
     

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    One thing I don't agree with for the WIC program is that only certain brands are WIC eligible. In many cases those aren't the most economic brands. In that regard it would make more sense to have it be more like food stamps. If you're entitled to 2 gallons of milk a week and you can find milk on sale somewhere, then that should be eligible. You shouldn't be forced to buy Dean's or Prairie Farms or whatever just because the store brand isn't on the approved list. That would stretch out how far the cost of providing WIC could go.
    I thought WIC approved items had to generally be the least expensive. Store brand milk over Dean's, now if Dean's is on sale cheaper than the store brand it still wouldn't be the approved type because it's generally more expensive and they aren't going to go through the approval process every time something goes on sale. I'll check next time I go to the store, but they usually have tags that say WIC allowed or something like that. And I think they were usually on the cheaper brands.

    Formula may be different because states are allowed to make a deal with the formula manufactures for "rebates". So while it may be a more expensive brand on the shelf, the state gets money back from the manufacturer which will make it less expensive.
     

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    I thought WIC approved items had to generally be the least expensive.
    That's not been my experience from viewing the "WIC Approved" labels at Kroger and other stores. And Aldi doesn't even take WIC as far as I know and they're a lot cheaper on a LOT of stuff (staples especially). Aldi does take EBT (foodstamps on a debit type card) though I think.
     

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    That's not been my experience from viewing the "WIC Approved" labels at Kroger and other stores. And Aldi doesn't even take WIC as far as I know and they're a lot cheaper on a LOT of stuff (staples especially). Aldi does take EBT (foodstamps on a debit type card) though.
    It's quite possible I'm wrong, I'll take a look when I go to Kroger next. As for Aldi, WIC participation is voluntary, same as EBT. I'm guessing that they don't want to jump through the hoops to take it. Food stamps are now handled electronically like you mentioned by a EBT card, WIC is still on paper vouchers at least in IN I believe. There is a push to make it on a debit card type of thing like the EBT. Do you know if Aldi took food stamps back when they were paper? It might just be they don't want to deal with adding up the totals and shipping/scanning them in. ETA and from what I've seen at the store, I believe each voucher must be rung up on a separate receipt and the total cost for each voucher has to be written on it, which would seriously slow down the Aldi cashiers.
     

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    One thing I don't agree with for the WIC program is that only certain brands are WIC eligible. In many cases those aren't the most economic brands. In that regard it would make more sense to have it be more like food stamps. If you're entitled to 2 gallons of milk a week and you can find milk on sale somewhere, then that should be eligible. You shouldn't be forced to buy Dean's or Prairie Farms or whatever just because the store brand isn't on the approved list. That would stretch out how far the cost of providing WIC could go.
    I heard about why on NPR the other day. Apparently they bid for the contracts. There was something to do with rebates back to the govt. Different manufacturers will end up supplying different areas/states with formula.
     

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    It's still that way, although they define it by ounces not cans. About halfway down the page is formula/baby food. They get a voucher for a specific amount, if they don't get the maximum amount they lose it. So if the limit for the store is 4 cans, and the voucher is good for let's say 8 cans by oz, they wouldn't be able to get half their allowance.
    Lets not forget that most on wic are also on SNAP and can purchase more formula/baby food if needed.
     

    MRockwell

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    And the scammers have already started....
    @PhotoNinja is on a Mom's group on FB. Someone was out of/low on formula and needed more; sounded like they were looking for money to buy formula. Another member bought formula for her to pick up, and was ghosted/blocked. The person was only looking to cash in on others' good-will.:xmad:


    I saw someone post a recipe from the '60's for formula. So I googled homemade baby formula, and the top results were news stories of doctors, medical experts, and Washington officials warning against homemade formula. A little word to the wise: don't back mama bear into a corner when it involves her young, you won't like the results.
    When our little guy couldn't tolerate regular formula, I searched up and down for alternatives and one that looked promising was a goat's milk recipe. It was a homemade recipe, but unfortunately it was 3x the cost for all the ingredients. Fortunately we found a formula on the shelf that worked out.
     

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    I saw a post somewhere that showed a sign announcing a 2 package limit on baby formula at a store. Right next to it was a sign that said WIC recipients were exempt from such limits.

    How many people on WIC are hoarding it and reselling at a big markup?

    Certainly there are people who are going to try to game the system, but the flip side of that is, your baby doesn't have formula when you need it, and you probably can't afford to buy it, since you already spent the money you made reselling it.

    That post is above somewhere. WIC limits are based on ounces, so (using one limit since it's based on infant age/breastfeeding) someone can purchase 806 fluid ounces of formula a month. So, they could buy 50 - 16 ounce bottles, or 25 - 32 ounce bottles, in that month.

     

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    The latest is folks are saying social media is removing posts of recipes for formula that are over a hundred years old, saying they are dangerous.

    Most of our generation has raised kids that believe a concoction from a store is safer than making your own formula…
     
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