NEW GUN LAW GETTING A VOTE

[Cameramonkey]

Yeah , its how you percieve what you have read I guess ?

Proper punctuation and paragraphs help a LOT.

Brother, that was hard to read as typed.

And once again all I saw was "if this passes, kids that are already doing bad things will continue to do the same bad things they do today, so lets screw the responsible kids and not pass it." (even though not passing will have zero result on the current issue as described, and reinforced by HM)

 

[KellyinAvon]

Now that we have a laser focus on the task at hand, CALL YOUR SENATOR, SUPPORT HB 1077!!

1-800-382-9467

 

[bobzilla]

Nobody was attacking. It was an open conversation. It's just that nobody agreed with the premise of the original post.

And we pointed out the facts that the talking points he brought up ignored. And then he ignored those facts.

 

[Jodyrocks96]

When you begin learning how to shoot at a younger age you have more respect for what you are handling. I don't agree with this new law because they are not offering any mandatory training. It should be a minimum of how to respectfully possess and own a firearm along with cleaning and maintenance examples and tips.

 

[Trapper Jim]

I’ve been asked.


“allows particular individuals who do not meet-the requirements to receive a handgun license and are not otherwiseprohibited to carry a handgun in limited places. “

What would a few examples of this be?

And what defines limited places.?

 

[bobzilla]

When you begin learning how to shoot at a younger age you have more respect for what you are handling. I don't agree with this new law because they are not offering any mandatory training. It should be a minimum of how to respectfully possess and own a firearm along with cleaning and maintenance examples and tips.

Why? Current LTCH have no such requirements. Where in the 2nd amendment does it say we have to get training before we are allowed to defend ourselves?

 

[Robert Richardson]

Yeah , its how you percieve what you have read I guess ?

That's bull****, you meant exactly what I and others perceived it to be.

 

[Cameramonkey]

When you begin learning how to shoot at a younger age you have more respect for what you are handling. I don't agree with this new law because they are not offering any mandatory training. It should be a minimum of how to respectfully possess and own a firearm along with cleaning and maintenance examples and tips.

Not every good idea/best practice should be codified by law.

Whats next? Mandatory civics class or proof every year you are up on the issues/candidates before you can vote responsibly?
Permits to bar unlawful searches and seizures?
A license to prevent Johnny Law from holding you indefinitely for being suspected of a crime? Or to prevent them from torturing you?

 

[Cameramonkey]

Not every good idea/best practice should be codified by law.

Whats next? Mandatory civics class or proof every year you are up on the issues/candidates before you can vote responsibly?
Permits to bar unlawful searches and seizures?
A license to prevent Johnny Law from holding you indefinitely for being suspected of a crime? Or to prevent them from torturing you?

Though maybe a law prohibiting the application of pineapple on pizza? That might be a good idea.

 

[armalitesheepdog]

In certain parts of Indy there are 15yo
Youts carrying. And flashing and shooting. Laws won't change that

 

[Jodyrocks96]

Not every good idea/best practice should be codified by law.

Whats next? Mandatory civics class or proof every year you are up on the issues/candidates before you can vote responsibly?
Permits to bar unlawful searches and seizures?
A license to prevent Johnny Law from holding you indefinitely for being suspected of a crime? Or to prevent them from torturing you?

Honestly, you should know what you are voting for before you go. Most people don't and now we have daddy Joe Biden because of this. But also every example you gave was incomparable to an 18 year old possessing a deadly firearm with 0 experience or training

 

[ditcherman]

Honestly, you should know what you are voting for before you go. Most people don't and now we have daddy Joe Biden because of this. But also every example you gave was incomparable to an 18 year old possessing a deadly firearm with 0 experience or training

No, it wasn’t incomparable, rights are rights, whether you know what you’re doing in the voting booth or wherever. And they do have consequences, that’s where the teaching has failed.

 

[Cavman]

Honestly, you should know what you are voting for before you go. Most people don't and now we have daddy Joe Biden because of this. But also every example you gave was incomparable to an 18 year old possessing a deadly firearm with 0 experience or training

Its a right... just like being able to say what ya want. Should we require training, or a license before anyone is allowed to write, type or say anything they want?

 

[Cameramonkey]

No, it wasn’t incomparable, rights are rights, whether you know what you’re doing in the voting booth or wherever. And they do have consequences, that’s where the teaching has failed.

You get it.

So answer this question @Jodyrocks96 :
How many other constitutional rights require a license of some sort before you are allowed to exercise it? Thats the big takeaway.

You arent wrong about how you SHOULD know what you are voting for. And you SHOULD get training before carrying/using a firearm. But requiring prerequisites for a right to be exercised is a VERY slippery slope.

 

[Ggreen]

Also 100% agree on the Police Union having way too much say in states law, they have rail roaded any MJ and gun laws in Indiana. But that's generally how it works in most states , like Cali for instance. Why are officers there allowed to buy unsafe guns the general public cannot buy according to the state? Rules for thee and not for me. Time to remind them they serve the people not the government.

But they have tRaInInG

 

[Jodyrocks96]

You get it.

So answer this question @Jodyrocks96 :
How many other constitutional rights require a license of some sort before you are allowed to exercise it? Thats the big takeaway.

You arent wrong about how you SHOULD know what you are voting for. And you SHOULD get training before carrying/using a firearm. But requiring prerequisites for a right to be exercised is a VERY slippery slope.

I agree. I also see how life's are potentially directly at risk with this scenario compared to not knowing who you vote for. Human life should be concern #1 civil rights #2.

 

[Cavman]

I agree. I also see how life's are potentially directly at risk with this scenario compared to not knowing who you vote for. Human life should be concern #1 civil rights #2.

So with all the states that have constitutional carry that didn't see an uptick in deaths or crime you still think we need to add to the license requirement that we have now?

 

[Jodyrocks96]

So with all the states that have constitutional carry that didn't see an uptick in deaths or crime you still think we need to add to the license requirement that we have now?

Honestly, I'm not sure how to answer that. If it's going to be applicable to one it's only fair its applicable to all.

 

[VERT]

I agree. I also see how life's are potentially directly at risk with this scenario compared to not knowing who you vote for. Human life should be concern #1 civil rights #2.

As much as I am concerned about human life, I don’t agree. In fact you probably have this backwards.

Voting affects or at least has the potential to affect human life more then an individual carrying a gun.

Civil rights should always be the number one concern because of the implications and affect on human life.

 

[JEBland]

Human life should be concern #1 civil rights #2.

No.

If you take human life, you get put into a cage as punishment for violating that person's civil rights. Removing the licensing scheme does not directly cause murders. Adults who are affected by this are all responsible for their actions. There is no American life without civil rights.