Is It Good For The Gun Cause To Bash Suppliers On The Open Internet?

[Ingomike]

-edit- I missed that. Sorry.

What does more damage to our sports image?

An ND due to misinformation or bad training that makes headlines?

Or an online review.

You somehow think that online reviews are going to be used in some headline against the industry. That if people are bad mouthing a company that itll be used against our sport.

In reality, that company will hopefully do the right thing after seeing those reviews. Step up and correct their ways, but if they don’t, they deserve every ounce of bad reviews they receive.

A well thought out reply…

 

[Ingomike]

I get what ingomike is prying at, and I understand his thinking on the subject, but its inflated imo.

Online reviews aren’t going to shut down a business. They aren’t being used against our sport in some anti 2a news way.

If online reviews and bashing companies put them out of business cheaperthandirt would have died off long ago, but that hell hole is going to survive the nuclear apocalypse right next to the cock roaches.

I agree here. What got me to post this in the first place was a complaint post about a site sponsor, no less, that did not offer lay-away and a range that charged visitors an annual fee of $5 they called a liability waver fee. There have been others similar as well. We need to know the bad actors out there but we also need to temper it. INGO does not like to be told to temper it. LOL

 

[jamil]

They closed the location permanently. If thats any indicator.

And with that said.

Midwest in mishiwaka, while a little expensive, is an amazing place. Never had a bad experience there.

Then in that case the right thing happened. And the 2A is intact.

 

[Ingomike]

They closed the location permanently. If thats any indicator.

And with that said.

Midwest in mishiwaka, while a little expensive, is an amazing place. Never had a bad experience there.

Here's the thing about Midwest...

The owner isn't in business because just he loves the gun owner community. He is a businessman, and this is a business. Thats not to say that is a bad thing, because you need to make money to stay in business. Anyway, the owner's focus was always to grow their wholesale business. I think it would surprise most of this forum to learn how many of their local dealers buy their stock from MGE Wholesale. Thats where the big money is at. The retail store barely pays the bills for the building. The range most likely lost money. The wholesale business was what supported everything else.

Five years ago, MGE Wholesale moved to a whole new building, separating itself from Midwest Gun Exchange's retail store. Since then it has grown even bigger. If I were to take a guess, the owner is just making a business decision that will make him more money, since the range was probably the biggest drain on the business. Same reason why you dont see Midwest at the gun shows any more. It cost too much to load up a trailer, pay 5 or 6 employees, meals, fuel, hotels, etc. There wasn't money in it, so they dropped it.

Just my opinion, having worked there for several years.

This pretty much answers the question IMO…

Midwest Guns and Range closing???

Just got an e mail stating Midwest Guns and Range is closing. Did a search and didn't see any mention here yet. Anyone else see it?

www.indianagunowners.com

 

[Ingomike]

BTW, remember CM talking about the new site would be better indexed by Google? In my search for news reports for Midwest Guns I found not a single one, but I did find several links to INGO threads. The threads we post about our ranges and LGS are not just here in our little INGO cocoon they go all over the web. Keep that in mind...

 

[jamil]

So?

 

[Ingomike]

So?

So?

 

[jamil]

We agree on that then. Cool.

 

[Nickbau5]

I think we should be treat those that supply or service those engaging in their 2A rights fairly. Is it too much to ask that we think about the vendors side without blindly always thinking every poster is a saint? I have never said we should not tell the bad things vendors do, just to think about it and try to exercise some restraint for little things.

If staff is rude and unhelpful, people should let that be known, it's literally why this forum has the good, bad, and ugly section, to air grievances. If some of that slips into general so be it, people are posting their experiences. I think it would be worse to allow poor companies to continue and give the gun community a bad name. I have had issues at various places, like SPB getting mad at me for following an old rule of theirs they changed since the last time I went, also with them having the dumb surcharge for filling out a liability waiver. There's also times I've been to gun shops like the one that used to be on the (edit) west side of Indy (G2 Sports Products before they got shut down for hiring a felon) that was outright rude and made it seem like I was an inconvenience to even be in their store.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

it's literally why this forum has the good, bad, and ugly section, to air grievances.

And it's also an important part of Festivus!

 

[Airtevron1]

is this still alive?

 

[ditcherman]

is this still alive?

 

[PRasko]

And it's also an important part of Festivus!

 

[stocknup]

This could be a useful tag for future posts ...........

 

[BugI02]

Damage to 2A vendors is one of the outcomes that could be bad for both parties, and even other 2A supporters.

Still having trouble with how an honest, personal review of one's impression of treatment by a business should need to be filtered by what kind of business they are in

It won't protect it from the invisible hand, at most it will slow it down. Word gets around fast in a small, tight knit community whether amplified via the internet or not

 

[BugI02]

Something I have noticed here and on forums in general, there never seems to be any thought put to the fact that there are two sides to every story, and the forum usually only hears one side. Why is majority default to take the side of the poster?

Everyone that runs into policies at companies they do not like, and fail to win a challenge to them, feels disrespected anymore. Are there really that many bad employees at gun stores? Particularly places like SPB or Midwest Guns, or Top guns? Those employees are always disrespectful?

Indy area only has a handful of indoor ranges for the near 2 million that live in the area. It just seems like way too often we have posts criticizing these companies for clearly written policies and then everyone piles on.

I will continue to call out what I believe to be frivolous complaints against the few options to shoot for those that have no place to shoot at home. We are trying to grow 2A supporters and frivolous complaints against ranges doesn’t further that.

I see it more as you possibly want complaints against a business you like quashed. It is not enough for you to post your counter opinion to that expressed by the OP and let people decide for themselves, you wish to argue for self-censorship in service of some nebulous support for the 2A

A better model would be letting the discussion roll, as was done in the discussion that started about pricing at a small mom & pop shop elsewhere in the forum (I'll try to get the specifics in a minute). An OP didn't like their pricing and many people on INGO came to their defense in the resulting thread. To me, after reading that thread, the complaint didn't hurt their business and in fact motivated me to be sure I stopped in if I was ever in their neighborhood. If SPB can't weather someone's low opinion because no one will come to their defense among the gun-friendly crowd on INGO, that says perhaps they do have a problem and protecting them from the consequences of that will not serve anybodies interests

Edit:

Primer Pricing at Bobcat Armament in Shelbyville, IN

I stopped in yesterday, 14-JAN-2022 to survey powder and primer pricing at this store. It was my first visit. They had zero Hodgdon powder of any sort and the proprietor said I should go to Australia to find any. Hodgdon powder is made in bulk in Australia then shipped to the US for...

www.indianagunowners.com

 

[Ingomike]

Still having trouble with how an honest, personal review of one's impression of treatment by a business should need to be filtered by what kind of business they are in

It won't protect it from the invisible hand, at most it will slow it down. Word gets around fast in a small, tight knit community whether amplified via the internet or not

I have not been treated well in some LGS or ranges but never saw the need to post my feelings all over the world wide web. Why, I understand that people are different. What gets lost in a conversation like this is just how varied these places are and how varied their customers and even visitors are.

I see many of the complaints here as feels based, because the complainant did not get what they felt they should get. I have been asked “mister you buyin sumthin” because I asked to see 4 or 5 different guns before. Why did they do that? I was a stranger in Mayberry and they rarely saw a stranger. To me, in my feels, that was rude, poor business, exclusionary, not promoting the 2A to all.

Joe from Mayberry goes to Midwest guns, no one even speaks to him past a quick greeting at the door, Joe feels he was treated badly they just ignored him or he had to wait behind several other customers to even ask to see a gun.

Neither of these warrant complaints they are feels based complaints.

I took my gun to ABC gun store and they lost it, damaged it, true malfeasance should be spread that, to me, is what the review thread is for.

While I have no problem with saying a LGS or range has high prices or fees some don’t like, we really need threads on it?

We really need threads based on feels?

AGAIN, I have never indicated folks not review the bad businesses, just not over trivial things.

 

[ditcherman]

We really need threads based on feels?

hahaha welcome to ingo.

 

[Ingomike]

It is not enough for you to post your counter opinion to that expressed by the OP and let people decide for themselves, you wish to argue for self-censorship in service of some nebulous support for the 2A

Why is asking people to think before they post negative threads because of feels that big of a deal to you? The like in the link you posted, that was all feels. Same with the no lay-away policy, the $5 annual fee policy, none of these rise to bad business, there were no damages, just hurt someone’s feels.

Maybe you don’t think that the feels reviews hurt LGS and ranges, I happen to believe they do, s we can just disagree on that.

 

[MCgrease08]

Neither of these warrant complaints they are feels based complaints.

In your opinion.

We really need threads based on feels?

AGAIN, I have never indicated folks not review the bad businesses, just not over trivial things.

Trivial to you.

You seem locked into this idea that the line you use to define bashing, what's trivial, feelings based, silly, etc. is the same for everyone else. It isn't.

You'll drive yourself nuts spending time trying to control what other people do.