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    Yea, the government passed the PREP act when covid hit. You get zero compensation from taking covid jab and no covid vaccine manufacturer can be held legally liable, ever.
    That's because it's been proven beyond question to be perfectly safe and effective.
     

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    Yea, the government passed the PREP act when covid hit. You get zero compensation from taking covid jab and no covid vaccine manufacturer can be held legally liable, ever.
    That law was passed in 2005...
     

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    COVID-19 PREP Act Declarations​

     

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    COVID-19 PREP Act Declarations​

    Right, but those were amendments to the 2005 law that basically granted immunity to pharmaceutical companies for injuries associated with vaccines. I think the amendments were just to add the Covid "vaccines" and therapeutic treatments to the coverage that law provided. At least that's the way I'm reading it. My only point was that that particular law has been around for awhile and wasn't just passed when Covid hit.
     

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    Right, but those were amendments to the 2005 law that basically granted immunity to pharmaceutical companies for injuries associated with vaccines. I think the amendments were just to add the Covid "vaccines" and therapeutic treatments to the coverage that law provided. At least that's the way I'm reading it. My only point was that that particular law has been around for awhile and wasn't just passed when Covid hit.
    I'm curious if it is commonplace to have so many Amendments to this Declaration in such a short period of time. I'm not able to find an answer yet but that many seems a bit excessive but perhaps it isn't.
     

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    I'm curious if it is commonplace to have so many Amendments to this Declaration in such a short period of time. I'm not able to find an answer yet but that many seems a bit excessive but perhaps it isn't.
    Now that I don't know. It does seem like they were scrambling to make sure it was covered under or added to that original act.
     

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    It was scrambled because they wouldn't release it with EUA unless they had legal indemnity.

    Vaccines are protected under prep. Experimental, non fda approved ones are not. So they had to make amendments. Did you see the unredacted agreement that pfizer is using to gain legal indemnification?

    Their vaccine can kill millions now and in the future have have zero consequences.
     

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    It was scrambled because they wouldn't release it with EUA unless they had legal indemnity.

    Vaccines are protected under prep. Experimental, non fda approved ones are not. So they had to make amendments. Did you see the unredacted agreement that pfizer is using to gain legal indemnification?

    Their vaccine can kill millions now and in the future have have zero consequences.
    Ah, that makes sense (the EUA thing).
     

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    Medical community has lost much of their credibility. They depend on the Govt for the license, Insurance and Govt for reimbursement. To think they can give an unbiased opinion is silly. All transparency on this issue has been shut down and medications have been banned forcing the use of the experimental gene therapy. Difficult to trust anyone
    Yep, ignore us. We lie to enrich ourselves and harm you. Best bet nowadays is find a podcast or a FB friend go all in with their recommendations.
     

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    Yep, ignore us. We lie to enrich ourselves and harm you. Beat bet nowadays is find a podcast and go all in with their recommendations.
    Simple question I hope it is a yes or no answer.

    If you thought it in the patients best interest, can you write a prescription for ivermectin for them?
     

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    Medical community has lost much of their credibility. They depend on the Govt for the license, Insurance and Govt for reimbursement. To think they can give an unbiased opinion is silly. All transparency on this issue has been shut down and medications have been banned forcing the use of the experimental gene therapy. Difficult to trust anyone
    Yep, ignore us. We lie to enrich ourselves and harm you. Best bet nowadays is find a podcast or a FB friend go all in with their recommendations.
    The medical industrialization comment you responded to wasn't directed at you or personal. In general medicine has become a captured system with a power structure overlay. It's at the point now where the general public are becoming aware of protocols that came from a government agency , then to a hospital director and then downstream. This setup has been a long time coming with fewer independent doctors outside the large medical systems. Insurance complexity has cause many independent doctors to go to the larger systems.

    Fortunately this has created the existence of Frontline doctors group that doesn't follow the stay at home protocol until its too late. Early intervention or prophylactic use with the HcQ, Ivermectin and other combos of initial treatments has been proven to greatly help.

    I worked in a profession and government agency that over the last decade has been doing similar overreaches and capturing all aspects of systems and processes for their own and their cronies benefit, not for the citizens. Thankfully it wasn't the medical field as we see playing out now.

    After two years everyone is tired of all the deception and dishonesty. Many people genuinely don't trust large medical systems and are really waking up to what's being done to them. 2022 will be a big year of revelation (hopefully not the four horsemen version).
     

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    It's not even about ivermectin.

    It's proven that there are medications that can be used as preventatives to lessen the risk of hospitalization, but instead it's, you have covid go home and pray.

    Dexamethasone? Prednisone? Hell any anti-inflammatory? Aspirin was even proven to help.

    We know that 90% of this is because of cytokin storms due to a novel virus. We have treatments for this, but instead of preventatives, it's go home and come back when you can't breathe and it's too late.
     

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    The medical industrialization comment you responded to wasn't directed at you or personal. In general medicine has become a captured system with a power structure overlay. It's at the point now where the general public are becoming aware of protocols that came from a government agency , then to a hospital director and then downstream. This setup has been a long time coming with fewer independent doctors outside the large medical systems. Insurance complexity has cause many independent doctors to go to the larger systems.

    Fortunately this has created the existence of Frontline doctors group that doesn't follow the stay at home protocol until its too late. Early intervention or prophylactic use with the HcQ, Ivermectin and other combos of initial treatments has been proven to greatly help.

    I worked in a profession and government agency that over the last decade has been doing similar overreaches and capturing all aspects of systems and processes for their own and their cronies benefit, not for the citizens. Thankfully it wasn't the medical field as we see playing out now.

    After two years everyone is tired of all the deception and dishonesty. Many people genuinely don't trust large medical systems and are really waking up to what's being done to them. 2022 will be a big year of revelation (hopefully not the four horsemen version).
    Great post! The lack of early treatment by the medical community at large is truly criminal.

    With what other illnesses are people told to go home, rest and return when you get really bad?
     

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    It's not even about ivermectin.

    It's proven that there are medications that can be used as preventatives to lessen the risk of hospitalization, but instead it's, you have covid go home and pray.

    Dexamethasone? Prednisone? Hell any anti-inflammatory? Aspirin was even proven to help.

    We know that 90% of this is because of cytokin storms due to a novel virus. We have treatments for this, but instead of preventatives, it's go home and come back when you can't breathe and it's too late.
    But, but... we have a bed and staffing shortage! (Nevermind that we fired any of our staff that refused to get the vaccine and brought the shortages on ourselves.)
     

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    Simple question I hope it is a yes or no answer.

    If you thought it in the patients best interest, can you write a prescription for ivermectin for them?
    Sure. No one has told me what I can or cannot do for COVID. Not sure they can find a pharmacy to fill it though, and not sure if my hospital would administer it.
     

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    When you have covid and are admitted to the hospital, the first two things they put you on are a blood thinner, generally Levenox, and an anti-inflammatory steroid of some kind.

    Why? Because the cytokin storm causes inflammation in your vascular system which cause blood clots and occlusions, which start to damage organs, mainly the lungs.

    Hmmm if only there were pills you could take preventativly to mitigate this inflammation? Oh, there are, about two dozen different variants that are in common use daily.

    Why aren't they prescribing them to people with confirmed covid infections?

    Why are we sending people home with zero information?

    Hmmmm..... one has to wonder
     

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    Half of the patients I saw today were COVID. Admitted several, all unvaccinated. Had an 85yo vax lady with COVID and minimal symptoms, home she went. Had another 80+ year old unvax with COVID, minimal symptoms, home she went. Admitted several in their 50s.

    Still have only admitted two vaccinated patients who had COVID, and those were both for dehydration. Both had signficant pre-existing conditions.

    We have 24 beds in this Er, 14 of them are filled with inpatients who have no bed available upstairs or at the hospital we are trying to transfer them to. That means we get 10 beds to use for ER patients. Huge waiting room times. People sitting in chairs in hallways to get lacerations repaired and COVID tested.

    Just what it is. A friend's hospital in Dayton is worse. His partner saw 22 on shift, 20 of them were in the waiting room. Many admitted from the waiting room. Using portable oxygen tanks out there. No monitoring. Occasionally they check and a tank is empty and no one knew it.

    The system is understaffed and overhelmed. And flu is coming. And a GI bug is circulating. And Christmas just happened during a COVID surge.

    Not looking forward to the next two weeks at work.
     
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    When you have covid and are admitted to the hospital, the first two things they put you on are a blood thinner, generally Levenox, and an anti-inflammatory steroid of some kind.

    Why? Because the cytokin storm causes inflammation in your vascular system which cause blood clots and occlusions, which start to damage organs, mainly the lungs.

    Hmmm if only there were pills you could take preventativly to mitigate this inflammation? Oh, there are, about two dozen different variants that are in common use daily.

    Why aren't they prescribing them to people with confirmed covid infections?

    Why are we sending people home with zero information?

    Hmmmm..... one has to wonder

    Here's a summary of what infectious disease society is recommending. They discuss many options and give evidence why they support or recommend against particular therapies.

    To me it makes little sense to not provide steroids to those who are at risk. But since the majority do not progress to severe disease, it's difficult to recommend that everyone take them. Studies did show harm if given to lower acuity patients.

    What evidence do you have that we should be doing things differently? I'm genuinely curious. I hate that we have little to offer and now MAB likely is much less effective due to spike protein mutations.

    And why monoclonal? Why not give a slurry of various antibodies?
     
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