Democrats want to Legalize Marijuana

[BugI02]

Easy, Freedom. The thing our country was founded on.

Why does freedom and liberty so often seem to come up in the context the desire to get high

And why is the FF's caution that only a moral people are fit to govern themselves so seldom mentioned. If morality is mentioned at all, it is usually to denigrate any moral standards that might be applied as deficient for some reason

In these contexts, it seems more Cartman's "I do what I want!" than any definition of freedom or liberty that the fathers would recognize

 

[Ingomike]

Why does freedom and liberty so often seem to come up in the context the desire to get high

And why is the FF's caution that only a moral people are fit to govern themselves so seldom mentioned. If morality is mentioned at all, it is usually to denigrate any moral standards that might be applied as deficient for some reason

In these contexts, it seems more Cartman's "I do what I want!" than any definition of freedom or liberty that the fathers would recognize

Were humans not getting high and inebriated in the 18th century? I suspect they were and the FF knew about it and didn’t feel the need to address it…

 

[edporch]

While you're at it, can you also mandate they can use other drugs, like say Ivermectin, if their doctor believes it can help them?

I suspect, though, that since you can already force a pharmacist to dispense an abortifacient that you would be able to force them to fill a prescription for MJ too, because that aligns with the left's narrative. That same pharmacist would likely continue to be able to refuse to fill a valid prescription for Ivermectin because of his belief in the church of vaccination

Of course if a doctor believes Ivermectin could benefit a patient they should be able to prescribe it.
I heard just a few days ago that roughly 40% of drugs are prescribed "off label", yet I don't hear of any widespread number if pharmacists overruling the prescription.
Which makes me believe that a policy of overruling prescriptions for Ivermectin is purely political and not the practice of medicine.

As to Ivermectin, and "MJ" vs an abortifacient, a case can be made that the first two are therapeutic treatments for a malady, and the other causes the death of ANOTHER individual's life without their consent.

 

[Route 45]

While you're at it, can you also mandate they can use other drugs, like say Ivermectin, if their doctor believes it can help them?

I suspect, though, that since you can already force a pharmacist to dispense an abortifacient that you would be able to force them to fill a prescription for MJ too, because that aligns with the left's narrative. That same pharmacist would likely continue to be able to refuse to fill a valid prescription for Ivermectin because of his belief in the church of vaccination

 

[phylodog]

I don't necessarily find the use of cannabis immoral, or psychedelics for that matter. Both have been and are currently being utilized very effectively to treat a variety of conditions.

 

[bwframe]

I find it interesting that so many who are fine with alcohol take such a strong stance against cannabis. No one ever wants to hear it but if you find yourself in that category it is quite clear that you speak from a position of ignorance on the issue and you only know what you’ve been told.

I’ve yet to meet a LEO who would agree that cannabis poses a more significant, or even as much of a threat to the safety of the uninvolved than alcohol.

It's all the same. Using chemicals to paint over or numb the "difficulty" of dealing with mental issues.

This jumps back to the same issue in my post above. The attitude that seeks the buzz/intoxication is the problem. The idea that the buzz/intoxication is a reprieve from the daily stresses of life.

From alcohol to cigarettes to now pot, we have grown up watching adults do the adult thing, seek medicinal change for life's daily challenges.

We don't need to change any laws, we need to change attitudes that have been raised to seek the "fix" of chemicals used to solve emotional stress.

 

[bwframe]

The left is doing that as we speak.....

Links please.

 

[Ingomike]

From alcohol to cigarettes to now pot, we have grown up watching adults do the adult thing, seek medicinal change for life's daily challenges.

Most humans have no problems responsibly handling these things. Just like gambling laws were to protect the 10% that were unable to handle gambling…

 

[phylodog]

It's all the same. Using chemicals to paint over or numb the "difficulty" of dealing with mental issues.

No, it isn't.

Even if it were, what business is it of anyone else's what adults do to themselves within the confines of their home and/or property? If it brings them some form of relief that they appreciate, what right do you have to try to prevent them from doing it? It's damned near the opposite side of the coin concerning vaccine mandates. I'll refer back to my previous post about the ignorant forming strong opinions due to being fed bad information their entire lives.

I can't wait until about a year after it's been legalized here. I've spoken with quite a few people in CA, MI & IL who were wringing their hands over the prospect of someone utilizing a plant, they've since learned it changes pretty much nothing of their own lives.

I've never met anyone who doesn't drink but demands that no one else does either. Sure strikes me as a position I'd expect from the left leaning types.

 

[bwframe]

Most humans have no problems responsibly handling these things. Just like gambling laws were to protect the 10% that were unable to handle gambling…

No, it isn't.

Even if it were, what business is it of anyone else's what adults do to themselves within the confines of their home and/or property? If it brings them some form of relief that they appreciate, what right do you have to try to prevent them from doing it? It's damned near the opposite side of the coin concerning vaccine mandates. I'll refer back to my previous post about the ignorant forming strong opinions due to being fed bad information their entire lives.

I can't wait until about a year after it's been legalized here. I've spoken with quite a few people in CA, MI & IL who were wringing their hands over the prospect of someone utilizing a plant, they've since learned it changes pretty much nothing of their own lives.

I've never met anyone who doesn't drink but demands that no one else does either. Sure strikes me as a position I'd expect from the left leaning types.

Exactly why we don't need to change any laws. We need to change perceptions. Perceptions that the buzz is a fix for the daily hardship of life.

No one is telling anyone what to do, much less anything to be accused of siding with the left on.

Just suggesting that a change in attitude about how to walk through life might be better for folks, if we didn't glamourize chemical intoxicants as an escape from it. If we didn't advertise regular intoxication as a daily routine. If it wasn't cool to be a regular daily user.

 

[phylodog]

Exactly why we don't need to change any laws. We need to change perceptions. Perceptions that the buzz is a fix for the daily hardship of life.

No one is telling anyone what to do, much less anything to be accused of siding with the left on.

Just suggesting that a change in attitude about how to walk through life might be better for folks, if we didn't glamourize chemical intoxicants as an escape from it. If we didn't advertise regular intoxication as a daily routine. If it wasn't cool to be a regular daily user.

You're free to work on what you find to be a character fault in people who aren't like you. I have zero problems with that and it's your right, change all of the perceptions you possibly can. Cannabis is not simply used as a recreational intoxicant. I'll mention again, that perception is nothing but ignorant. I don't much care for ignoring the obvious when it doesn't suit our preferences.

The right is typically where you'll find those who favor freedom. The left harbors the tyrants and those who feel they have a right to control others. Nothing in my post was incorrect, you can claim whichever position on that ladder you choose to but you can't deny reality. Tens of millions of Americans use cannabis on a daily basis and hurt no one else in the process, why that is the business of anyone else is beyond me.

 

[BugI02]

Were humans not getting high and inebriated in the 18th century? I suspect they were and the FF knew about it and didn’t feel the need to address it…

Moral hazard scarcely existed in those times. If you became a stoner and failed to take care of business you starved or froze or became penniless. Today you sit home and collect $1000 per week in state and federal unemployment

 

[bwframe]

... The left harbors the tyrants and those who feel they have a right to control others. Nothing in my post was incorrect, you can claim whichever position on that ladder you choose to but you can't deny reality. Tens of millions of Americans use cannabis on a daily basis and hurt no one else in the process, why that is the business of anyone else is beyond me.

First of all, smoke 'em if you got 'em! I got no problem with that. I'm all about you being free to do what want legally.

I would like for our society to not glamourize intoxication. To focus on the dealing with life issues in other ways than a chemical fix that alters perception of reality momentarily.

I understand that the idea is try to paint the messenger of a concept you disagree with as "left." I'm sorry you feel that is an appropriate route to go.

I will point out the irony though, as evidenced in the thread title. It is the left who is behind legalization of marijuana in Indiana.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Exactly why we don't need to change any laws....

No one is telling anyone what to do, much less anything to be accused of siding with the left on.

We need laws to prevent people from smoking weed, but nobody is telling you what to do?

That's a pretty big disconnect.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Moral hazard scarcely existed in those times.

 

[Ingomike]

Moral hazard scarcely existed in those times. If you became a stoner and failed to take care of business you starved or froze or became penniless. Today you sit home and collect $1000 per week in state and federal unemployment

So you have a problem with too much government on one hand and want too much government on the other…

 

[indyblue]

I would like for our society to not glamourize intoxication. To focus on the dealing with life issues in other ways than a chemical fix that alters perception of reality momentarily.

So, just because these substances have intoxicating psychoactive side effects they can have no possible positive effects? And that all drugs used to treat various behavioral disorders must come from synthetic drugs made by large corporations?

Just because people use magic mushrooms (Psilocybin) recreationally means they serve no other purpose even though studies are proving it’s a highly effective treatment for conditions such as depression and PTSD?

And CBD seems to have a protective effect against traumatic brain injuries (studies are still in their infancy but there is growing evidence for it)

Psychedelic Treatment with Psilocybin Relieves Major Depression, Study Shows​

Johns Hopkins Medicine researchers report that two doses of the psychedelic substance psilocybin, given with supportive psychotherapy, produced rapid and large reductions in depressive symptoms, with most participants showing improvement and half of study participants achieving remission through the four-week follow-up.​

There are likely hundreds more examples like this as well.

 

[BugI02]

We need laws to prevent people from smoking weed, but nobody is telling you what to do?

That's a pretty big disconnect.

Are the laws meant to stop use or sale, to police what gets done inside the home or attempt to prevent setting up in the business of feeding off the misfortunes of others

People mentioned using weed as an excuse to search a vehicle, but are you allowed to use intoxicating substances behind the wheel?

And do you think LE would be so anxious to search the vehicles of pot smokers unless it was quite likely that they were involved in more than just 'personal freedom'? I think if only one out of a hundred had other contraband that they wouldn't bother, but I read about traffic stops that uncover large quantities of drugs just about every week

 

[bwframe]

We need laws to prevent people from smoking weed, but nobody is telling you what to do?

That's a pretty big disconnect.

Please note where I said that.

Like some others, you seem to be blinded by your side of the argument to the point of not listening to what was actually said?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Are the laws meant to stop use or sale, to police what gets done inside the home or attempt to prevent setting up in the business of feeding off the misfortunes of others

People mentioned using weed as an excuse to search a vehicle, but are you allowed to use intoxicating substances behind the wheel?

And do you think LE would be so anxious to search the vehicles of pot smokers unless it was quite likely that they were involved in more than just 'personal freedom'? I think if only one out of a hundred had other contraband that they wouldn't bother, but I read about traffic stops that uncover large quantities of drugs just about every week

Cool, now look up the statistics for how many DUI (alcohol) arrests happen every single day.