Rittenhouse pleads 'Not Guilty'

[CTC B4Z]

Hey, don't try and pin him on us boomers. We don't want him either.

Is that duck over there quaking a duck?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Is that duck over there quaking a duck?

Sometimes a duck is just a duck.

 

[fullmetaljesus]

Nope. Too cold for rioting

The dumpster and building fires will keep them warm.

 

[Cameramonkey]

See, that's my biggest issue with the way 1/6 has been handled and portrayed. Not that I'm agreeing or disagreeing with it but I see no difference in 1/6 and the hundreds of riots which almost invariably follow any publicized police-related shooting. The only difference? Political ideology. So it's okay to burn down cities and loot and riot when it serves the ends of those who mean to destroy society anyways and never a single charge filed against one of them.

It’s also who the victim is. Your neighborhood gets torched? Sorry. Nothing we can do. I hope you have insurance. There are just too many perps to chase. Sorry. And any that did get arrested would be out with a $500 cash bond and the prosecutor would decline to charge.

The mayor or governors neighborhood? There would be complaints that the jails were overcrowded from all those they refused to release and the prosecutors office would be bringing in extra attorneys to cover the case load.

 

[KLB]

It’s also who the victim is. Your neighborhood gets torched? Sorry. Nothing we can do. I hope you have insurance. There are just too many perps to chase. Sorry. And any that did get arrested would be out with a $500 cash bond and the prosecutor would decline to charge.

The mayor or governors neighborhood? There would be complaints that the jails were overcrowded from all those they refused to release and the prosecutors office would be bringing in extra attorneys to cover the case load.

Insurance doesn't cover riots

 

[Amishman44]

Not following the trial...
Did someone else besides his lawyer (like a 3rd party witness) say he was being beaten?
What I do know, underage, illegal firearm for him to own,
Traveled to Kenosha to get into the middle of things with an illegally possessed firearm.
I'll wait for actual evidence, and the jury's decision...
All lawyers lie. I never put any stock on what lawyers say.

Well...to be honest...if you would have paid attention to the incident, from onset to this trial, or you had done some research based on several of the online videos available, including the compiled evidence by the FBI, you would have been able to see for yourself the timeline of the events that occurred and draw a more accurate conclusion as to why so many are scoffing at this 'mockery' of a trial that is taking place in Kenosha, WI!

There's video evidence that corraborates ALL of Kyle Rittenhouse's statements, which is the same video evidence that simultaneously undermines the prosecution's 'version' of events!

Kyle was driven to Kenosha by his mother, from his home approximately 30 miles away in IL.

Kyle received an AR style rifle to carry upon arrival (aka, it was not his rifle as he did not own it)

Kyle was present during the riots in Kenosha to provide medical care to anyone who might need it!

Obtain the facts and it will keep your evidence flowing in the correct order...leading to the truth!

This is not difficult information for anyone to obtain, especially if they have access to the internet and are willing to do their own homework!

 

[CTC B4Z]

Well said. Wasn't going to waste my time with someone who has an opinion yet has come short of even remotely reading about what's going on.

 

[Ruger_Ronin]

Nope. Too cold for rioting

That's what fires are for?

 

[tackdriver]

If after all this Rittenhouse gets convicted of anything more than being a kid with a gun, you know the justice system has failed.

So what's the under/over on riots if he skates?

If after all this Rittenhouse gets convicted of anything more than being a kid with a gun, you know the justice system has failed.

So what's the under/over on riots if he skates?

Our "Justice System" IS a failure. If Kyle skates, I'll just be happy to finally put one tally mark in the 'got it right' column.

 

[drillsgt]

Well...to be honest...if you would have paid attention to the incident, from onset to this trial, or you had done some research based on several of the online videos available, including the compiled evidence by the FBI, you would have been able to see for yourself the timeline of the events that occurred and draw a more accurate conclusion as to why so many are scoffing at this 'mockery' of a trial that is taking place in Kenosha, WI!

There's video evidence that corraborates ALL of Kyle Rittenhouse's statements, which is the same video evidence that simultaneously undermines the prosecution's 'version' of events!

Kyle was driven to Kenosha by his mother, from his home approximately 30 miles away in IL.

Kyle received an AR style rifle to carry upon arrival (aka, it was not his rifle as he did not own it)

Kyle was present during the riots in Kenosha to provide medical care to anyone who might need it!

Obtain the facts and it will keep your evidence flowing in the correct order...leading to the truth!

This is not difficult information for anyone to obtain, especially if they have access to the internet and are willing to do their own homework!

Just count yourself lucky the posts were brief, typically you'd get a one page single-spaced treatise.

 

[JEBland]

I have a question based on this away from jury discussion:



This clip is a few days old, so my apologies for the delay and if I've missed discussion on this particular part.

Rosenbaum attacks Rittenhouse - not really in dispute. Rittenhouse runs to prevent any further endangerment. Huber, skateboard guy, (allegedly) mistakenly believes that Rittenhouse is murdering people. Attempts to stop him. Defense says that since Rittenhouse was only defending himself, then from the perspective of his defense, Huber is the aggressor but don't seem to allege any crimes on Huber (one could I guess make the case for false imprisonment, but the assault is the primary factor for self-defense, I guess). Prosecution says that Huber believed Rittenhouse was a murderer, so that makes Rittenhouse the aggressor. But these aren't exactly reciprocals of each other, right? The judge seems to indicate this as well where the pattern of facts (events?) as laid out by the defense don't contradict any good intentions by Huber even if Huber is the first aggressor of the Huber-Rittenhouse interaction.

Must there be a criminal element to Huber's attack on Rittenhouse? If so, why can't we accept Huber's (assuming best intentions here) under-informed but good-will attempt to stop Rittenhouse but also that since Rittenhouse right to self-defense since he was attempting to escape severe injury/death? It seems that the prosecution is using partial-information on Huber's part to paint a picture of ill-intention on Rittenhouse's part, which doesn't follow from what the defense is saying in that Youtube clip as I understand it.

TL;DR: Is this Youtube clip just the prosecution desperately trying to re-characterize Huber in a way that doesn't follow from the video evidence?

 

[tackdriver]

Is there any point at which he has grounds for a remedy for malicious prosecution
If the prosecution continues to parade nothing but witnesses friendly to the defense and he skates?

I mean if you can’t even provide a witness helpful to the prosecution, should the trial have even happened?

Not a lawyer but, malicious prosecution and/or abuse of process grounds to make the claim - yes. Will it get anywhere - no.

These claims blow back at the lawyers who file the papers against the defendant. Lawyers have created a thick bush to hide behind (at least in civil law, so I assume they doubled down in criminal law). Even if an attorney believes the case will loose with a 99.9% certainty, IF the client (the State in this case) has even a speck of reason to pursue the case, the lawyer has a duty [how they see it, not me] to vigorously serve the clients interests. On the other hand, the "client" gets to claim that they aren't a lawyer, and they thought they had a good case and the lawyer told them they could prevail (remember that 0.1% chance?). Regardless of the private counsel where the attourney told the client the case would never win, once the client says they want to go forward, well..."I had an obligation, a sacred Duty, to vigorously pursue my clients position" says the lawyer as he throws out a few precedent cases.

The whole thing is a sham. The code for things like malicious prosecution and abuse of process remain to make us believe that there is a check-and-balance against abuse, not to actually address abuse.

 

[KLB]

I have a question based on this away from jury discussion:



This clip is a few days old, so my apologies for the delay and if I've missed discussion on this particular part.

Rosenbaum attacks Rittenhouse - not really in dispute. Rittenhouse runs to prevent any further endangerment. Huber, skateboard guy, (allegedly) mistakenly believes that Rittenhouse is murdering people. Attempts to stop him. Defense says that since Rittenhouse was only defending himself, then from the perspective of his defense, Huber is the aggressor but don't seem to allege any crimes on Huber (one could I guess make the case for false imprisonment, but the assault is the primary factor for self-defense, I guess). Prosecution says that Huber believed Rittenhouse was a murderer, so that makes Rittenhouse the aggressor. But these aren't exactly reciprocals of each other, right? The judge seems to indicate this as well where the pattern of facts (events?) as laid out by the defense don't contradict any good intentions by Huber even if Huber is the first aggressor of the Huber-Rittenhouse interaction.

Must there be a criminal element to Huber's attack on Rittenhouse? If so, why can't we accept Huber's (assuming best intentions here) under-informed but good-will attempt to stop Rittenhouse but also that since Rittenhouse right to self-defense since he was attempting to escape severe injury/death? It seems that the prosecution is using partial-information on Huber's part to paint a picture of ill-intention on Rittenhouse's part, which doesn't follow from what the defense is saying in that Youtube clip as I understand it.

TL;DR: Is this Youtube clip just the prosecution desperately trying to re-characterize Huber in a way that doesn't follow from the video evidence?

Yes. Huber struck Rittenhouse with the skateboard. Thus Rittenhouse shooting him was in self-defense.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Prosecution says that Huber believed Rittenhouse was a murderer, so that makes Rittenhouse the aggressor. But these aren't exactly reciprocals of each other, right? The judge seems to indicate this as well where the pattern of facts (events?) as laid out by the defense don't contradict any good intentions by Huber even if Huber is the first aggressor of the Huber-Rittenhouse interaction.

Each party is judged by the facts they knew, or reasonably should have known, at the time of their act. Mistakes in fact are allowed, as long as they are reasonable. Both parties could be acting in ways they beleive to be legal based on their perception even if one side is mistaken in fact.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Yes. Huber struck Rittenhouse with the skateboard. Thus Rittenhouse shooting him was in self-defense.

A skateboard being swung at your head is a blunt object. Some in the MSM seem to miss that, as well as the whole on video swinging it at Kyle’s head thing.

 

[DragonGunner]

Don't bring a skateboard to a gun fight, if you do you deserve what you get.

 

[Cameramonkey]

A skateboard being swung at your head is a blunt object. Some in the MSM seem to miss that, as well as the whole on video swinging it at Kyle’s head thing.

Since MSM talking heads seem to think getting nailed in the noggin with a skateboard is no big deal, equivalent to a pillow fight, I volunteer to whack them each (at least) once with a skateboard so they truly understand the gravity of the situation.

 

[ditcherman]

The dumpster and building fires will keep them warm.

That's what fires are for?

Oh, so “mostly peaceful” if cnn’s the judge of it.
Good deal.

 

[KittySlayer]

The dumpster and building fires will keep them warm.

When you said Dumpster Fire I immediately thought of the White House. Lets Go Brandon!

 

[HoughMade]

Mother. Of. Pearl. The prosecutor's behavior with the autistic photographer guy. The little cell phone trick, OMG! The pain, the pain, I am soooo uncomfortable right now.

Not only are they likely to get a not guilty for their boss, they may be talking to the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

Yeah..."are you sure you don't recognize the guy I just showed you. I'm, sure you would like to amend you statement."

Maybe I'm naive, but as of yesterday, I've been practicing for 23 years and that is s strictly bush-league trick I have never seen before.