Vaccine coercion/bribery

[DoggyDaddy]

All it does it show you to be intentionally avoiding rigorous introspection of the activities of your own group.

Then what does it show when you avoid rigorous introspection of your own group when someone else points it out (as Hatin' did)? How is your criticism of the right any different than his criticism of the left?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Maybe it's "whoever criticizes first wins"?

 

[Alpo]

Then what does it show when you avoid rigorous introspection of your own group when someone else points it out (as Hatin' did)? How is your criticism of the right any different than his criticism of the left?

What group? I have a group?

I'm a moderate democrat that could probably qualify as a RINO.

What group am I supposed to defend? And why?

I think you make the same mistake that the African-Americans make: assuming that the black experience must be the same for all blacks and believing that any member of the race speaks for all members of the race.

We know that isn't true. In Africa. Tribe fights tribe. Warlords kill for economic gain, We know that it isn't true here. Many blacks are accused of Uncle Tomming, or not acting "black enough".

So, don't suppose that because I hate Trump, that makes me a social liberal. Far from it.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

What group? I have a group?

I'm a moderate democrat that could probably qualify as a RINO.

What group am I supposed to defend? And why?

Then criticize the "less than moderate" democrats maybe? Maybe I should have stated that it was a rhetorical "your"? You claimed the right was using fear and hatred. He said the left was using fear and hatred. Seems like the same claim, only about a different tribe to me.

 

[Alpo]

Then criticize the "less than moderate" democrats maybe? Maybe I should have stated that it was a rhetorical "your"? You claimed the right was using fear and hatred. He said the left was using fear and hatred. Seems like the same claim, only about a different tribe to me.

To some extent, you are correct.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

To some extent, you are correct. In the case of covid, I don't think it applies.

I think that the division being sowed about covid is being done by the same people sowing division about race, gender, etc.. And for the same reasons. We're all being played as suckers.

 

[Ingomike]

What group? I have a group?

I'm a moderate democrat that could probably qualify as a RINO.

What group am I supposed to defend? And why?

I think you make the same mistake that the African-Americans make: assuming that the black experience must be the same for all blacks and believing that any member of the race speaks for all members of the race.

We know that isn't true. In Africa. Tribe fights tribe. Warlords kill for economic gain, We know that it isn't true here. Many blacks are accused of Uncle Tomming, or not acting "black enough".

So, don't suppose that because I hate Trump, that makes me a social liberal. Far from it.

You can pretend all you want too, you are good at that anyway, but you are who you vote for...

 

[Alpo]

I think that the division being sowed about covid is being done by the same people sowing division about race, gender, etc.. And for the same reasons. We're all being played as suckers.

I eliminated/edited the remark. I think there is a great deal of fear being generated by leftists on the un-vaccinated, so my comment wasn't correct.

 

[phylodog]

And that is why most people don't buy into the inflammatory rhetoric and conspiracies generated by the right. There is no bottom to how low they will go to incite hatred and fear.

There is no need for made up conspiracies, your elected officials put their lack of character on display on a daily basis. Whether or not you (or anyone) else agrees with 10% or 99% of the democrat platform, anyone who pulls a lever for one is voting for murdering unborn children, stealing from people who work and giving it to people who don't, taxing the **** out of the middle class, the continued con that democrats give a **** about black communities, being in favor of slavery (nothing is free, "free healthcare" only exists if you have slaves to provide it) and transvestites teaching children how to perform oral sex properly in public libraries.

Sorry. No one needs to make anything up, the reality is not generated.

 

[BugI02]

I was asking about how one would differentiate vaccinated from recovered with an antibody test.

No comprende. In the idea/post chain we're discussing, why would you care?

 

[BugI02]

 

[BugI02]

Good question, it's clear stuff in a sealed bottle.

I don't know for sure, but I would bet that saline is cheaper than vaccine. Either way it's a win for somebody so.....

...always follow the money.

Sell the 'dose' to the .gov for top dollar, and then sell the same dose to the well heeled in the third world for even more

 

[Drewski]

Babylon bee should fact check snopes

BTDT

Snopes Introduces New Rating: 'False For Now'

U.S.—World-renowned fact-checking website Snopes has unveiled a brand new fact check rating called "False For Now." This will allow them to provide a rating for claims that are just conspiracy theories uttered by deranged far-right people until they later turn out to be true.

babylonbee.com

Snopes Publishes Fact-Check On Whether Snopes Plagiarized But Oh No! The Whole Article Seems To Have Been Stolen From PolitiFact

U.S.—Snopes has finally fact-checked the accusation that Snopes co-founder David Mikkelson plagiarized over 50 articles, finding the claim a "mixture" and saying that it is "lacking important context."

babylonbee.com

 

[BugI02]

And that is why most people don't buy into the inflammatory rhetoric and conspiracies generated by the right. There is no bottom to how low they will go to incite hatred and fear.

To the extent that anyone here buys into them, I truly feel sorry for them. Once the belief is there, no countering facts will ever change their position and mindset.

Most of us acknowledge that the covid data is, at best, disorganized and flawed and, at worst, intentionally misleading. As I said before, I'd be happy with data for hospitalizations and deaths, separated by vaccinated and un-vaccinated. Seems like a simple request.

Monitoring Incidence of COVID-19 Cases...

After the COVID-19 B.1.617.2 (Delta) variant reached predominance, fully vaccinated people had less risk of infection, hospitalization, and death.

www.cdc.gov

During April 4–July 17, a total of 569,142 (92%) COVID-19 cases, 34,972 (92%) hospitalizations, and 6,132 (91%) COVID-19–associated deaths were reported among persons not fully vaccinated, and 46,312 (8%) cases, 2,976 (8%) hospitalizations, and 616 (9%) deaths were reported among fully vaccinated persons in the 13 jurisdictions (Table). The weekly prevalence of the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant increased from <1% to 90% during April 4–July 17. Full vaccination coverage increased from 19% to 54%; in the final week, coverage ranged by age group from 45% (in persons aged 18–49 years) to 73% (≥65 years).

 

[Tombs]

Whataboutism, dude.

Pointing at your sibling when mom is yelling at you didn't work then. It certainly doesn't work with me. All it does it show you to be intentionally avoiding rigorous introspection of the activities of your own group.

I hate to say it but alpo is right.

Pointing out the hypocrisy of the left is a joke. They know they are hypocrites, they know their value system its self is hypocrisy.

They don't care.

If they slaughtered half the population of a nation, they'd call it an effort to spread democracy and tolerance, and say you're evil for taking issue with it.

 

[BugI02]

Then what does it show when you avoid rigorous introspection of your own group when someone else points it out (as Hatin' did)? How is your criticism of the right any different than his criticism of the left?

Alpo holds himself in much higher regard

 

[BugI02]

So, don't suppose that because I hate Trump, that makes me a social liberal. Far from it.

Voting for Biden makes you a goldfish, not a social liberal

 

[Alpo]

Monitoring Incidence of COVID-19 Cases...

After the COVID-19 B.1.617.2 (Delta) variant reached predominance, fully vaccinated people had less risk of infection, hospitalization, and death.

www.cdc.gov

During April 4–July 17, a total of 569,142 (92%) COVID-19 cases, 34,972 (92%) hospitalizations, and 6,132 (91%) COVID-19–associated deaths were reported among persons not fully vaccinated, and 46,312 (8%) cases, 2,976 (8%) hospitalizations, and 616 (9%) deaths were reported among fully vaccinated persons in the 13 jurisdictions (Table). The weekly prevalence of the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant increased from <1% to 90% during April 4–July 17. Full vaccination coverage increased from 19% to 54%; in the final week, coverage ranged by age group from 45% (in persons aged 18–49 years) to 73% (≥65 years).

I reported that article earlier.

What it fails to consider is where we are now with delta. What is happening today is what many people are concerned with.

 

[Alpo]

Voting for Biden makes you a goldfish, not a social liberal

Ahhh...personal insults are always so charming.

 

[tim87tr]

Sure, that’s not unreasonable if they had reason to believe bad things would happen. All I’m saying is any previous claims of vaccine side effects are null and void if that’s the case. I’ve seen repeated claims of the vaccine being harmful, so if people were given placebo to prevent that, what gives? The claims were lies? Hypochondriacs?

It can be both. Some shots are saline, what percent no one knows. This was to keep people coming back due to lower adverse effects. People expiring immediately were a mistake by TPTB. The side effects are highly suppressed, but you're seeing it come out a lot more even on this forum. A lot of the new infections are ADE related. Sepsis, blood clots, heart attacks, etc. We're at roughly six months average since the vaccines started and with Winter coming and lower Vitamin D/sunlight for cell protection, unfortunately this fallout will increase.

Seems to me the plan was to catch the saline shot receivers with the "how many?" boosters containing the same or more of mRNA. There's some real crazy stuff coming out about what's in the shot that'd be hard for me to believe. Eventually the plan was to continue the experiment through boosters or force it on everyone through major inconveniences.

I've put it out there before about the depopulation agenda, not an uncommon goal for governments historically. Hope I'm wrong but also that it scares people enough to take a stand and resist all this nonsense, only need some civil disobedience. It's working well for SouthWest employees and then Delta caved, did a 180 on their mandate. Nice!