Mandated vaccines or weekly testing for employers of 100+ people.......

[buckwacker]

I get it. I really do. And dude, if you saw my supply of ammo, you would understand where my loyalties lie. But I've got to have a home right? Being homeless with all the stuff I'd have to haul would suck pretty much. You want to go out and do battle while hauling along your wife and grand kids along with you?

I'm just asking everyone to consider that it is likely you may lose that all anyway, and that trading freedom for security now while we might be able to turn this back, may just ensure you have zero chance of preserving freedom and security later. I understand the predicament you're in; I am mid forties with a wife and three kids. Both my wife and I have received the jab or job email from our employers. It would be easy to comply, and keep making that upper middle class money. Im looking down the road, not at what's in front of me now.

 

[Ingomike]

This thread got really awesome, and it’ll be a real shame if it gets cleaned up.

Also, just a point of clarification: there is no government mandate right now. The seed was planted and corporate America ran with it. As such, it’s not a “freedom” issue. It’s no different than people saying if McDonald’s employees don’t like their pay rate then they should gain new skills and find a new job. If you don’t like your employer’s rules, it’s up to you to find a new employer. Or start your own business.

I don’t like forced anything either, but I’m not going to suspend reality. If my employer changes the details of our employment arrangement, I’ll have to make a decision.

Agreed there is no formal mandate from the feds. A 25 years ago me would have whole heartedly agreed with you, but a jaded seasond political observer now says it isn't so simple. The purity I once would have fought for has morphed into corruption. Our governments have become so massive I bet the vast majority of business has at least some connection to them, and virtually all are regulated in some way.

Then we have the issue of social credit and its effects on businesses, their ability to get access to money, talent, and leadership. Your posts make it sound so simple that it is not mandate and business can chose but can they really?

This administration is playing it both ways and that is part of many folks frustration, there is no mandate that legal challenges can be taken against and yet the government is strong arming businesses to mandate it. Many of which believe they have no choice...

I think it interesting that most of us against the faux mandate and vaccine pressure you are participating with all have been around a long time, don't discount them as conspiracy theorists, they may have been more like you when they were younger but maybe they know a thing or two because they have seen a thing or two...

 

[wagyu52]

 

[buckwacker]

 

[jsharmon7]

Agreed there is no formal mandate from the feds. A 25 years ago me would have whole heartedly agreed with you, but a jaded seasond political observer now says it isn't so simple. The purity I once would have fought for has morphed into corruption. Our governments have become so massive I bet the vast majority of business has at least some connection to them, and virtually all are regulated in some way.

Then we have the issue of social credit and its effects on businesses, their ability to get access to money, talent, and leadership. Your posts make it sound so simple that it is not mandate and business can chose but can they really?

This administration is playing it both ways and that is part of many folks frustration, there is no mandate that legal challenges can be taken against and yet the government is strong arming businesses to mandate it. Many of which believe they have no choice...

I think it interesting that most of us against the faux mandate and vaccine pressure you are participating with all have been around a long time, don't discount them as conspiracy theorists, they may have been more like you when they were younger but maybe they know a thing or two because they have seen a thing or two...

I participate in these threads for the enjoyment of sharing ideas, whether I agree or not. And to be clear, I’m not in favor at all of vaccine mandates. I have not gotten the vaccine myself. In fact, it would benefit me if all the conspiracies were true because that would mean I made the right choice. Unfortunately they don’t pass the smell test to me. I’ve studied a lot of psychology in my life and there are a lot of familiar things happening here. Add in that they’re happening in an online echo chamber, and that some are now advocating that people make serious life choices that will impact the rest of their lives based on them, and it’s a bad situation. Far be it from me to tell anyone how they should live, but hopefully those of us adding in another perspective will at least get someone to step back and evaluate what’s real and what’s been created in their minds. If anyone thinks I’m wrong, that’s totally fine. I might be. You might be. Who knows.

 

[Tombs]

You seriously need to step off. If it puts "you" in the grave? How about if it puts your girlfriend that's on disability, who just lost her daughter in the grave? How about if it puts her two 4 year old grandsons that you're now raising at the age of 62 because they have no one else to do it in the grave? How many of your loved ones are you willing to put in the grave so you can feel like an internet tough guy?

What do you think will happen to them if people don't stand up against this, and allow it to continue?

I know you're smart enough to realize that they aren't going to be happy with just a covid mandate and "papers please."
This is about stopping this before it escalates to something none of us can afford to pay the price of.

I'm thinking further down the road than today. Plotting the most likely trajectory given what we've seen over the past 2 decades.
Things do not look good, and this is a bigger deal than many people are ready to accept.

Our peaceful options are reduced to objection, as not enough was done over the past few years to give us a better choice.

 

[jsharmon7]

Not sure I understand this one.

I probably wasn’t clear that it was in reference to vaccines claims. But...

If the vaccines were hurting people, as has been claimed from VAERS data. Or it’s some depopulation measure. Or it was some kind of control thing. Or the claims of effectiveness were a lie. Or insert whatever negative outcome people have attached to them. If any of that turned out to be true, then me not getting vaccinated would have been a good thing. It would be easier for me to jump on the bandwagon of those beliefs as a way to reassure myself about my choice. As it stands, if the vaccines turn out to be a good thing in the long run, then I took unnecessary risk by not getting it.

 

[OkieGirl]

I probably wasn’t clear that it was in reference to vaccines claims. But...

If the vaccines were hurting people, as has been claimed from VAERS data. Or it’s some depopulation measure. Or it was some kind of control thing. Or the claims of effectiveness were a lie. Or insert whatever negative outcome people have attached to them. If any of that turned out to be true, then me not getting vaccinated would have been a good thing. It would be easier for me to jump on the bandwagon of those beliefs as a way to reassure myself about my choice. As it stands, if the vaccines turn out to be a good thing in the long run, then I took unnecessary risk by not getting it.

I think the general overarching concern in 'our community' is the perceived need for urgent, absolute compliance. Something feels off by that.

My personal hope for all who read this thread is that there is that step back; that people take their time and have the freedom to educate themselves on what they want to do. Nothing in healthcare is a 'one size fits all' solution. I've learned this in my personal life, if a medication or treatment has side effects I study up on them because my body seems to be part of that rare percentage that has whatever odd side effects hardly ever happen. It causes me to take better care of myself and be intentional about what I do. I seek out natural remedies more these days than I did when I was younger and I know what vitamins or remedies work best with the system I'm caring for. To put this in 'guy speak' we know some engines only run on gasoline so we intentionally avoid diesel.

To speak on the topic of truth or manipulation of fact, people truly need to be their own reporters or news media. Open your eyes and open your ears and simply use the common sense the good Lord gave you. Then make up your own dang mind and stop letting people tell you what to believe. For example, the last three people I've personally known who had the bug were all fully jabbed. My personal friend posted a question on a social media site asking a genuine question about jabbed people coming down with odd infections like sepsis...only to have that removed a few hours later after it blew up and had 200+ responses of people reporting their experiences. She asked this question after her 53yr old neighbor passed away from that. Yesterday morning a dear friends 70 yr old family member who was previously in good health passed away from sepsis. I have a gal who works for me who is in the .gov's registry b/c of ongoing side effects from receiving the jab. These are my personal experiences. I'm watching and listening; your mileage may vary...

 

[Tombs]

I think the general overarching concern in 'our community' is the perceived need for urgent, absolute compliance. Something feels off by that.

My personal hope for all who read this thread is that there is that step back; that people take their time and have the freedom to educate themselves on what they want to do. Nothing in healthcare is a 'one size fits all' solution. I've learned this in my personal life, if a medication or treatment has side effects I study up on them because my body seems to be part of that rare percentage that has whatever odd side effects hardly ever happen. It causes me to take better care of myself and be intentional about what I do. I seek out natural remedies more these days than I did when I was younger and I know what vitamins or remedies work best with the system I'm caring for. To put this in 'guy speak' we know some engines only run on gasoline so we intentionally avoid diesel.

To speak on the topic of truth or manipulation of fact, people truly need to be their own reporters or news media. Open your eyes and open your ears and simply use the common sense the good Lord gave you. Then make up your own dang mind and stop letting people tell you what to believe. For example, the last three people I've personally known who had the bug were all fully jabbed. My personal friend posted a question on a social media site asking a genuine question about jabbed people coming down with odd infections like sepsis...only to have that removed a few hours later after it blew up and had 200+ responses of people reporting their experiences. She asked this question after her 53yr old neighbor passed away from that. Yesterday morning a dear friends 70 yr old family member who was previously in good health passed away from sepsis. I have a gal who works for me who is in the .gov's registry b/c of ongoing side effects from receiving the jab. These are my personal experiences. I'm watching and listening; your mileage may vary...

I think people are missing the point by arguing the merits of the vaccine. It doesn't really matter if the vaccine was the holy grail of medicine, a complete and total cancer prevention and cure injection.

The point in which businesses, government, etc start demanding proof of getting this vaccine to participate in society is a power far too great to be allowed to rest in the hands of anyone.

 

[buckwacker]

I probably wasn’t clear that it was in reference to vaccines claims. But...

If the vaccines were hurting people, as has been claimed from VAERS data. Or it’s some depopulation measure. Or it was some kind of control thing. Or the claims of effectiveness were a lie. Or insert whatever negative outcome people have attached to them. If any of that turned out to be true, then me not getting vaccinated would have been a good thing. It would be easier for me to jump on the bandwagon of those beliefs as a way to reassure myself about my choice. As it stands, if the vaccines turn out to be a good thing in the long run, then I took unnecessary risk by not getting it.

Ah, you were quick and quoted me before I deleted it. I posted, and then I realized what you meant after I reread it a few more times.

 

[jsharmon7]

Ah, you were quick and quoted me before I deleted it. I posted, and then I realized what you meant after I reread it a few more times.

I realized it really wasn’t clear after I read your comment, so it’s on me.

 

[OkieGirl]

I think people are missing the point by arguing the merits of the vaccine. It doesn't really matter if the vaccine was the holy grail of medicine, a complete and total cancer prevention and cure injection.

The point in which businesses, government, etc start demanding proof of getting this vaccine to participate in society is a power far too great to be allowed to rest in the hands of anyone.

Then people need to stand up. I'm in the very small minority of those who have stood up at my current employer and the repercussions are unpleasant and plentiful; but I choose to stand. This is my hill. I'm working on the exit strategy that will allow for the appropriate litigation since this seems to be the only path corporations learn from anymore. This sucks. I hate it, and it's not how I usually operate...but it is the only way 'they' learn.

 

[buckwacker]

Then people need to stand up. I'm in the very small minority of those who have stood up at my current employer and the repercussions are unpleasant and plentiful; but I choose to stand. This is my hill. I'm working on the exit strategy that will allow for the appropriate litigation since this seems to be the only path corporations learn from anymore. This sucks. I hate it, and it's not how I usually operate...but it is the only way 'they' learn.

Well this might be an opportunity in disguise. If your employers are idiots, that litigation may ensure you don't ever have to ask anyone for a job again.

 

[tim87tr]

Then people need to stand up. I'm in the very small minority of those who have stood up at my current employer and the repercussions are unpleasant and plentiful; but I choose to stand. This is my hill. I'm working on the exit strategy that will allow for the appropriate litigation since this seems to be the only path corporations learn from anymore. This sucks. I hate it, and it's not how I usually operate...but it is the only way 'they' learn.

Excellent, and good for you and your family. This is what everyone should strive for. I've ran across some items that may be of assistance in your fight against medical tyranny, which you may already know about. Anyway, do a general search with the word "forms" and my screen name tim87tr, and there should be 7 thread results with that info where I've tried to help people fight for what's right. Best of luck.

 

[OkieGirl]

Well this might be an opportunity in disguise. If your employers are idiots, that litigation may ensure you don't ever have to ask anyone for a job again.

This whole freaking experience has taken me from the mindset of wanting to just get out of the city completely and go back to basics and homestead on our land...to wondering if I need to go up there and take their freaking jobs from them.

NO ONE SEEMS TO STAND ON THE FREAKING CONSTITUTION! It's a crazy cool document that is pretty dang specific and yet we've happily handed over our states rights! The Federal Government does not have the RIGHT (either perceived or implied) to roll out these ridiculous expectations on the states. And NEWSFLASH - the states do not have to sue the federal government for rights they already have. You simply exercise your right to say 'no' and IF/WHEN the fed decides to act against the state in whatever way it thinks it wants to...at that point the state can sue. Each of the 50 United States have their individual rights to decide on domestic matters. The general job of the freaking federal government is to represent us all internationally and provide for the nation's defense. Period. We do not have a king, we have an elected public servant...they will only have the power YOU GIVE THEM. (rant over)

 

[Tombs]

This whole freaking experience has taken me from the mindset of wanting to just get out of the city completely and go back to basics and homestead on our land...to wondering if I need to go up there and take their freaking jobs from them.

NO ONE SEEMS TO STAND ON THE FREAKING CONSTITUTION! It's a crazy cool document that is pretty dang specific and yet we've happily handed over our states rights! The Federal Government does not have the RIGHT (either perceived or implied) to roll out these ridiculous expectations on the states. And NEWSFLASH - the states do not have to sue the federal government for rights they already have. You simply exercise your right to say 'no' and IF/WHEN the fed decides to act against the state in whatever way it thinks it wants to...at that point the state can sue. Each of the 50 United States have their individual rights to decide on domestic matters. The general job of the freaking federal government is to represent us all internationally and provide for the nation's defense. Period. We do not have a king, we have an elected public servant...they will only have the power YOU GIVE THEM. (rant over)

If you're in a reasonable place in life to throw your hat in the ring, you seem like someone who could go far to me.

 

[foszoe]

Anyone who complies is supporting the mandates.

This is like a worker strike, and someone refusing to get onboard, except this is for all the eggs in the basket this time. It isn't just a job. It isn't just your personal freedom.

It's for the country and the future of freedom in general. Everyone who folds is another MASSIVE piece of support for the totalitarian take over. Being vocal is irrelevant, your actions are all that matter in this stage of the game.

Yes, turning in those papers is the highest form of support you can offer for the mandate. It does not matter what you say.
If you're going to accept this, you might as well sign over your children to the state, and then rat out your neighbors. Because that's where this is heading.

Aren't you the one that would lie on a jury to protect your family?

 

[BugI02]

Fair enough. As I said, I'm still a little gun shy. I don't appreciate when people accuse me of being somehow less of a patriot simply because I want to be able to provide for my family. I absolutely abhor any type of mandates. I think they're wrong, in no uncertain terms.

But when someone tries to paint me as some kind of Judas because I want to be able to provide for my family, they can FATWO.

I would almost certainly respond to your situation (were I in it) in the same way

 

[Alpo]

FATWO....is that wacist? And what do corpulent Asians have to do with it?

 

[BugI02]

I probably wasn’t clear that it was in reference to vaccines claims. But...

If the vaccines were hurting people, as has been claimed from VAERS data. Or it’s some depopulation measure. Or it was some kind of control thing. Or the claims of effectiveness were a lie. Or insert whatever negative outcome people have attached to them. If any of that turned out to be true, then me not getting vaccinated would have been a good thing. It would be easier for me to jump on the bandwagon of those beliefs as a way to reassure myself about my choice. As it stands, if the vaccines turn out to be a good thing in the long run, then I took unnecessary risk by not getting it.

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