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    How many times does it have to be explained that we are NOT a democracy?

    Macy Gray's blood is 40% bong water at this point. WTF cares what she says; she doesn't represent anyone but a small minority.

    And someone spouts of a highly controversial opinion... How does that make us NOT a democracy?


    Wait, is this the tired, democracy vs. republic argument?
     

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    No doubt. They are loading a shooting victim in the ambulance and you feel you need to celebrate and twerk?

    I'd call them animals, but even animals arent that cold.

    And considering no race information is being discussed, I assume this is yet more black on black crime?
     

    HoughMade

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    Another contortion of history to establish a federal holiday and take a jab at the South.

    The propaganda tells us this is the day when union soldiers "rode into Texas and freed the last of the slaves"....you know, that being the reason the union fought the war.

    Absolute bull****.

    Slavery was still legal and people were still held as slaves well past that date in the "union" states.
    After June 19, 1865?

    Citation please.

    Anyhoo, whatever the date, the end of legal slavery is something worth celebrating.
     

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    After June 19, 1865?

    Citation please.

    Anyhoo, whatever the date, the end of legal slavery is something worth celebrating.

    Sure. Here are just three examples. It is worth noting these examples are "union" slave states. If you do some homework, you will find more.


    Delaware:


    "Two months before the end of the Civil War, on February 8, 1865, Delaware voted to reject the 13th Amendment to the United States Constitution and so voted to continue slavery beyond the Civil War. The gesture proved futile when other states ratified the amendment, which took effect in December 1865 and thereby ended slavery in Delaware."

    Kentucky:


    "The Kentucky legislature considered a conditional ratification of the Thirteenth Amendment, to deny freedmen and other blacks constitutional rights and require them to leave the state within ten years of freedom. Instead, it rejected the Amendment.[12] Even after the conclusion of the Civil War and fall of the Confederacy, slaveholders in Kentucky continued to believe that slavery would continue to exist, and continued to hold and trade enslaved people through most of 1865. Slavery legally ended in the US on December 18, 1865, when the 13th Amendment became part of the Constitution."

    New Jersey:


    "It was not until 1846 that New Jersey abolished slavery, but it qualified it by redefining former slaves as apprentices who were "apprenticed for life" to their masters.[27][30] Slavery did not truly end in the state until it was ended nationally in 1865 after the American Civil War and passage of the Thirteenth Amendment to the US Constitution."



    Certainly, we view the end of the slavery as worthy of celebration today. My point is that "Juneteenth" was not the end of slavery.

    Designating "Juneteenth" a holiday for celebrating the end of slavery is simply propaganda intended to further advance the "righteous cause" myth as noted in the article linked in post 167 above.

    If there is to be a holiday celebrating the end of slavery, the date of the adoption of the Thirteenth Amendment would be much more appropriate.

    "Juneteenth"? Not even close.
     

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    Sure. Here are just three examples. It is worth noting these examples are "union" slave states. If you do some homework, you will find more.


    Delaware:


    "Two months before the end of the Civil War, on February 8, 1865, Delaware voted to reject the 13th Amendment to the United States Constitution and so voted to continue slavery beyond the Civil War. The gesture proved futile when other states ratified the amendment, which took effect in December 1865 and thereby ended slavery in Delaware."

    Kentucky:


    "The Kentucky legislature considered a conditional ratification of the Thirteenth Amendment, to deny freedmen and other blacks constitutional rights and require them to leave the state within ten years of freedom. Instead, it rejected the Amendment.[12] Even after the conclusion of the Civil War and fall of the Confederacy, slaveholders in Kentucky continued to believe that slavery would continue to exist, and continued to hold and trade enslaved people through most of 1865. Slavery legally ended in the US on December 18, 1865, when the 13th Amendment became part of the Constitution."

    New Jersey:


    "It was not until 1846 that New Jersey abolished slavery, but it qualified it by redefining former slaves as apprentices who were "apprenticed for life" to their masters.[27][30] Slavery did not truly end in the state until it was ended nationally in 1865 after the American Civil War and passage of the Thirteenth Amendment to the US Constitution."



    Certainly, we view the end of the slavery as worthy of celebration today. My point is that "Juneteenth" was not the end of slavery.

    Designating "Juneteenth" a holiday for celebrating the end of slavery is simply propaganda intended to further advance the "righteous cause" myth as noted in the article linked in post 167 above.

    If there is to be a holiday celebrating the end of slavery, the date of the adoption of the Thirteenth Amendment would be much more appropriate.

    "Juneteenth"? Not even close.
    So what date would you prefer to mark the end of legalized slavery in the U.S.?
     

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    Why does celebrating the end of slavery stir up division? Why does this bother you so much? Why can't you just be joyful with others?
    Anti-America division and rhetoric disguised as "joyful" is a load of hooey I don`t buy. You celebrate the smearing of America all you like there chief.
     

    gregr

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    Macy Gray's blood is 40% bong water at this point. WTF cares what she says; she doesn't represent anyone but a small minority.

    And someone spouts of a highly controversial opinion... How does that make us NOT a democracy?


    Wait, is this the tired, democracy vs. republic argument?
    There no argument. The Founders work hard to ensure that we did NOT have a democracy. We are a constitutional republic. The Constitution supposedly protects our rights from an overbearing, despotic government as well as a mob majority.
     

    gregr

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    So what date would you prefer to mark the end of legalized slavery in the U.S.?
    Whatever the date chosen, how about do it in such a way that it does NOT cause even further division and how about NOT smear and tear down America in the process. I will NOT celebrate ANYTHING that tears down this great country.
     

    HoughMade

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    Whatever the date chosen, how about do it in such a way that it does NOT cause even further division and how about NOT smear and tear down America in the process. I will NOT celebrate ANYTHING that tears down this great country.
    People do dumb stuff in celebrations all the time, but the end of legalized slavery is well worth celebrating.
     

    gregr

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    People do dumb stuff in celebrations all the time, but the end of legalized slavery is well worth celebrating.
    What I`m seeing isn`t just "some people", it`s a concerted effort by blm, the media, and all the other America haters, to lift up this idiotic named "holiday", and at the same time, tear down this country. Certainly the end of the scourge of slavery is important and meaningful, but DO NOT attack the United States and tear it down to celebrate. That`s not how you win people over.
     

    PistolBob

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    Not sure why Juneteenth is such a big thing ?
    That’s when slaves in texas were freed from Dems . Who didn’t want to free them.
    But Slavery was abolished on Dec 6th .
    So why is Juneteenth now a national Holiday & not Dec 6th ? Hmm

    People need a history lesson.
    Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation on September 22, 1862...it went into effect on Jan 1 1863 in the Union. Union forces came to Galveston TX on June 19 1865 and enforced it.

    Even after the Civil War, slavery was still practiced in Delaware and Kentucky...until the final nail was driven into the coffin of slavery with the ratification of the 13th Amendment to the US Constitution on Dec 6th, 1865.

    Even then, some of the Indian Territories still had slaves, and those weren't released until sometime in 1866.
     
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