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    Read the full article.
    Yep. You posted the same article I was referring to before I did. I only gave a synposis for brevities sake. But it's appanently dismissed right off the bat as biased so I don't expect jetta will read the whole article.
     

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    Maybe we should be talking about slavery in America today. Today rather than a century and a half ago. People are being made to suffer horribly right now.
     

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    So here's a criticism of CRT. If CRT is merely about explaining how racial injustices led to the inequalities between dominant and non-dominant races, is that the only explanation? It's pretty much the only one CRT allows. For example, CRT would define racist policy as one that produces or sustains racial inequity between racial groups.

    An example Abrim X gives in How to Be an Antiracist, is that "71 percent of White families lived in owner-occupied homes in 2014, compared to 45 percent of Latinx (sic) families and 41 percent of Black families. ... An example of racial equity would be if there were relatively equitable percentages of all three racial groups living in owner occupied homes in the forties, seventies, or, better, nineties." He goes on to say that, "there is no such thing as a nonracist or race-neutral policy. Every policy in every institution in every community in ever nation is producing or sustaining either racial enequity or equity between racial groups."

    Wow. So there's really no other explanation? What racist polices affect things like divorce rates. Children out of wedlock. Attitudes about education. It's not just one thing. It's never just one thing. But CRT forces the discussion to be only about one thing.

    Some Black families are successful. Some are not so much. We can analyze what factors are prevalent among the successful Blacks and what are prevalent among the unsuccessful Blacks. And we can also compare that to Whites, or any other racial group. And if we dare, we might even think less racially about it and find that the same things tend to make everyone successful. So if we want real ass equality, instead of this ideologically derived notion of "equity", then the thing to do is maximize the occurrance of the behaviors that make people generally successful and minimize the behaviors that don't. And of course, make sure everyone has the equal opportunity to do those behaviors.
     
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    Maybe we should be talking about slavery in America today. Today rather than a century and a half ago. People are being made to suffer horribly right now.

    Plenty of human trafficking going on in big cities, most of it in women and children. These modern day slavers provide for somebody.
     

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    That's the rub - no one knows what it is, but they know they hate it.

    Kut is the only one that attempted to explain it.

    Then everyone says, "no Kut, that can't be it, because I can agree with that, but I know CRT is horse**** (... but I can't tell you what it is.)"
    WHAT? I let it go when you said that before. Now that you repeated it, yes people do know what it is. The reason Kut is the only one who attemptted to explain it is because he reduced it to something that is too simple to serve as an adequate explanation. Kut made absolution no mention of power and that's the very basis of CRT, because CRT is based on CT (critical theory) which is all about power.

    I don't think you could say what it is in a simple paragraph and still have the person have enough understanding of it draw any legitimate conclusions. I mean, it's not like rutabagas.
     

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    Can you explain to its what is being taught in the mainstream for CRT?

    (Sensational stories about wacko gender studies teachers don't count.)
    What is CRT? Can you describe it briefly here? Compare and contrast that with liberalism. (hint: the two are not compatible)
     

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    There's plenty of people alive today who were told what restroom they couldn't use, what jobs weren't available to them, what neighborhood they couldn't live in...

    But please, continue to tell me how things instantly became equal in September of 1862.
    Explain what you are advocating. But say it like not a smartass.
     

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    According to the article: Derrick A. Bell, the recognized godfather of the CRT movement, does not mince words in one of the essays laying out the radical aims of the theory: “As I see it, critical race theory recognizes that revolutionizing a culture begins with the radical assessment of it"

    Which means that a radical assessment leads to radical solutions in order to "revolutionize a culture" which is exactly what SJW/BLM activists are engaged in.
     

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    No ****? Wow, that’s almost like history and has no bearing on what happens today as long as we aren’t going back down that road.

    Can we move on now? Maybe someone can tell me whose next in line to claim victimization due to what their ancestors experienced?
    Most white people are just ready to be over the whole thing, but then they're called racists for advocating "colorblindness".
     

    jamil

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    Proponents of CRT all seem to dislike and want to replace the "existing social system", my question is with what? Whatever it is they clearly want to be in charge.

    Demanding money just means that this is another old retread shakedown. I think the term was "guilt trip" from the past, it works if you can find people with lots of extra cash who feel guilty about having it. Things like this gain traction with some of the wealthy.

    It's a hard sell to people out there just getting by, or trying to make a better life, and will dry up with the next recession.
    The idea is that all the institutions are filled with racist policies. Racist policies are any policy, whether written or just enforced by society, that results in long-term racial inequity. Since there is racial inequity, therefore all institutions have racist policies. The answer then is to dismantle all the institutions and rebuild new "antiracist" institutions.
     

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    Can someone explain to me the benefit of teaching CRT? If it’s just a history lesson rather than an attempt to convince the people alive today that they are victims, why not call it history?

    Is it because it’s just a theory? If it’s just a theory why does it need to be taught in schools? Does anyone actually have a solution to the imagined problems which necessitate CRT or are we just going to continue down the path of pissing and moaning to see who can be the next great victim?
    Sure. The benefit of teaching CRT is to create Antiracist allies. It's not just a history lesson. It's a history lesson from a specific point of view to create empathy for historically marginalized groups, so that Antiracist allies will help them dismantle the racist institutions. And by institutions they mean every kind of institution in society. Sports, education, religion, entertainment, news, business, etcetera. They're all racist because races aren't all "equitable". Because, you know, there can't be any other cause to racial inequality other than racist policies.

    The "theory" in critical race theory doesn't mean the same kind of theory as in, say, science. It's more of a strategy than a theory.
     

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    Slavery, or to be more comprehensive, inequality is the original sin of the United States. Our country was founded on the premise of all people are equal, and yet, before the ink had dried on the Constitution, that had already been enshrined as false. And again, you have to look at the big picture and competing interests. Our nation would not exist, and the framework to fix those problem would be absent. So I can practically say that I understand, but it was still a bad thing with hope of future good coming from it.
    1619 was 157 years before the Declaration of Independence, I am at pains to discern why one taints the other. Ditto the 3/5s compromise, which came 21 years after the declaration
     

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    CRT is predicated on teaching the belief of systemic racism as the prism through which its proponents analyze all aspects of American life.

    CRT divides the nation into groups. Oppressors and victims. Which typically represents white people and their white privileges as the oppressors and minorities as the victims.
     
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    1619 was 157 years before the Declaration of Independence, I am at pains to discern why one taints the other. Ditto the 3/5s compromise, which came 21 years after the declaration
    Liberalism (enlightenment principles, not left wing wackos) greatly influenced the constitution. The ideas were/are good. The implementation was incomplete. So that's not an indictment of the ideas as much as an indictment of the state of the world in that time, not having the moral maturation that developed later. There was no "original sin". The CRT academics use that phrasing a lot in their literature. It's ideological ********.
     

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    The statistics are what they are. If you say the status of black people today is what it is because of historical injustices then how is statistics not a valid part of the discussion? And if the statistics listed are not accurate, this would be the place to dispute them.
    Because insistence on absolute truth (rather than lived/relative truth), accuracy, and the emphasis on the mathematically correct answer are all racist white oppression
     
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