Anyone who is intellectually honest knows this

[Brimaster]

This thread will go nowhere but cause more BS.

Some of us believe there was fraud and some of us don’t.

Some of us think Trump was the worst ever and Biden is the best ever.

Some of us think Biden is the worse ever and Trump is the best ever.

The DOJ said there was fraud but not enough to change anything. Some states did investigations and asked the SCOTUS to take up cases and they declined. There might be proof or there might not sadly will never know as so much BS from all over no idea what is true or false and who to beleive. The media is worthless when it come to this.

Some states working on adjusting voting laws that some think are need while others think it racist or discrimination.

Moving forward each election will have the same garbage and will be a never ending circle.

 

[UnknownOne]

Just try to be better at catching them next time is all you can do.

Unfortunately, any attempt at catching cheating is considered trying to revive old Jim Crow laws. It would appear nothing can be done to tighten election security.

 

[BugI02]

Everything on your list is circumstantial. It's not direct evidence. Direct evidence looks more like "this person did this thing on this date which had this result."

As is everything on your list of refutations; and you have an Occam's razor problem, because all of the cited indicators were acknowledged to have predictive value going back decades. You basically are just saying the way the steal turned out is reality, I would say 'for now'

 

[jamil]

This thread will go nowhere but cause more BS.

Some of us believe there was fraud and some of us don’t.

Some of us think Trump was the worst ever and Biden is the best ever.

Some of us think Biden is the worse ever and Trump is the best ever.

The DOJ said there was fraud but not enough to change anything. Some states did investigations and asked the SCOTUS to take up cases and they declined. There might be proof or there might not sadly will never know as so much BS from all over no idea what is true or false and who to beleive. The media is worthless when it come to this.

Some states working on adjusting voting laws that some think are need while others think it racist or discrimination.

Moving forward each election will have the same garbage and will be a never ending circle.

A couple of points.

1) The media is not just worthless it is complicit. If they'd have reported Trump straight up, honestly, he'd probably have been reelected.

2) Claiming that adjusting state voter laws to help solve some of the issues with the last election is racist, is an attempt to get people to believe that access to voting AND integrity in voting aren't on an equal plane, that access is so much more important that anyone who wants integrity is obviously racist. The people pushing that idea know better but have a goal. The people who believe it are useful idiots.

 

[jamil]

As is everything on your list of refutations; and you have an Occam's razor problem, because all of the cited indicators were acknowledged to have predictive value going back decades. You basically are just saying the way the steal turned out is reality, I would say 'for now'

You're using circular reasoning.

 

[JettaKnight]

Even the peerage knows there's a problem, Jetta - what's keeping you from swallowing that red pill? This is Lord Hannan of Kingsclere, and the seven minutes is well worth the listen

It's a change from listening to my cat, Lord Reginald Fluffingbottom.... and he a loud one.


... ok ... yup ... agreed .... here-here .... indeed .... quite right.


Wait, WTF does this have to do with the "stolen" election?

 

[HoughMade]

This thread will go nowhere but cause more BS.

Some of us believe there was fraud and some of us don’t.

Some of us think Trump was the worst ever and Biden is the best ever.

Some of us think Biden is the worse ever and Trump is the best ever.

The DOJ said there was fraud but not enough to change anything. Some states did investigations and asked the SCOTUS to take up cases and they declined. There might be proof or there might not sadly will never know as so much BS from all over no idea what is true or false and who to beleive. The media is worthless when it come to this.

Some states working on adjusting voting laws that some think are need while others think it racist or discrimination.

Moving forward each election will have the same garbage and will be a never ending circle.

You left out that some of us think they both suck.

 

[jamil]

It's a change from listening to my cat, Lord Reginald Fluffingbottom.... and he a loud one.


... ok ... yup ... agreed .... here-here .... indeed .... quite right.


Wait, WTF does this have to do with the "stolen" election?

I thought the same. I agreed with the guy. But it has no bearing on the discussion at hand.

 

[JettaKnight]

You left out that some of us think they both suck.

 

[BugI02]

You're using circular reasoning.

If I cite one market correlation that has always meant that the market had peaked (or bottomed), you might think the direction of the market is still an unknown

If I cite 7 market correlations, all independent in variables noted, which have all always meant the market will go up (or down), you may still think the direction the market will take is random but it is a much harder case to make

You are free to believe there is no anomaly, because the voting outcome WAS different from that indicated by the voting correlations, but similar numeric correlations are what we use to determine if other countries elections were free and fair. Such statistical correlations indicate that Biden was elected via massive fraud

I find it difficult to believe why you so very much wish to accept the 'reality' as presented by the Democrat/Media alliance. There are fewer and fewer conservatives who buy that narrative. If it is some misguided idea that accepting our leaders being chosen for us will somehow preserve the republic, I fear you are misguided. Such sentiments only hasten the end

We are left to debate the parameters of 'intolerable'

 

[gregr]

....and yet here we are. Biden is in office, Trump is at home.

 

[BugI02]

I thought the same. I agreed with the guy. But it has no bearing on the discussion at hand.

The House of Lords isn't exactly The House of Woke. He's telling you that people are being pushed to revert to their more atavistic instincts by those seeking power, and that the breakdown in co-operation that allowed the prosperity of the post war world seems likely - and that it is easier by far to break it down than it will be to restore it

The point is that if some relatively disconnected member of the peerage can see it, why can't some people who should know better

 

[UnknownOne]

Just saying... no amount of arguing is going to change where we are with this most recent election.

In the future? Maybe, maybe not.

 

[BiscuitsandGravy]

Well, maybe Liz was right...

 

[JettaKnight]

Meh. This thread isn't even worth going to kitchen to nuke some popcorn.

 

[BiscuitsandGravy]

Meh. This thread isn't even worth going to kitchen to nuke some popcorn.

Meh, meh, but maybe for a bowl of ice cream...

 

[JettaKnight]

Meh, meh, but maybe for a bowl of ice cream...

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Irrelevant. People going to rallies does not translate directly into votes, especially for Left wing people.

The political climate then did not include someone that media had convinced to hate Trump. You guys can agree that the press has turned a huge chunk of the public into haters. But you can't see how that might translate into votes. If they cheated on a massive scale, it was probably community organizers harvesting votes. Which is cheating. But also is hard to prove.

Biden was clearly the establishment choice. I wouldn't say that Democrats didn't cheat other Democrats to get their guy in. They cheated their own to get Hillary in over Bernie.

People didn't vote for Harris, except the woke feminists. They voted for Biden.

Dense districts broke hard for Biden. That's not a shock. That's where the bat **** crazy base is mostly.

Irrelevant to the outcome

Everything on your list is circumstantial. It's not direct evidence. Direct evidence looks more like "this person did this thing on this date which had this result."

This whole list is pure confirmation bias. I'm not saying it wasn't possible that they cheated. I'm saying you don't have any direct evidence that they did, or exactly what effect on the election it had. How many votes were fraudulent. That's what you need to know. And you don't. Let it go. It makes you guys look crazy. Just try to be better at catching them next time is all you can do.

When you break them into single points, you’re correct. When you combine all of it...

 

[jamil]

When you break them into single points, you’re correct. When you combine all of it...

...I’m still correct.

 

[BugI02]

...I’m still correct.

You seem to REALLY want to treat all of those parameters as independent events

It wasn't 7 flips of a coin, with odds being 50/50 for any given result

It was more 7 simultaneous flips all coming up the same way, the odds of which were much more unlikely

Whatever lets you sleep