Will you take the Covid Vaccine?

[Karl-just-Karl]

I’m all for consequences of choice but how is my choosing to not yet get the vaccine causing you ( a vaccinated person) any harm? What science is there to show that non vaccinated people must wear masks while those who have taken the shot are good to run around without.

this whole last 14 months everyone has said “trust the science”, but now people get ridiculed for asking for science?

this has to be what Soviet Union felt like. In the 70’s and 80’s.

You have caused me no harm. I hope you don't feel like that was implied. You are not my enemy. You do not need to get a vaccine if you don't want one.

The science regarding masks is mostly bogus and mostly unsubstantiated. As it has been since the beginning of this fearmongering.

Used as a device for manipulation, a political tool? I don't doubt that.

 

[JettaKnight]

I'm curious, which part is false information?

The whole cherry-picking part. It's illogical to think that decades old multibillion dollar companies aren't going have some lawsuits, faulty products, and run afoul of regulators.

J&J has a lawsuit about their baby powder causing cancer, so that means their vaccine is suspect?


How is that good science (or even good reasoning)?



If I applied the same reasoning to other industries, I'd never get in a car, or fly, or eat anything from a grocery, or...

 

[JettaKnight]

I would argue that if it hasn't been approved for commercial use it hasn't been brought to market. We may just have to agree to disagree on this. Not that it matters one way or the other.

So Pfizer is what a couple weeks from full approval, then can we stop with the "experimental gene therapy" talk?

Or does Robert Loggia has to say it's good?

 

[Ingomike]

There’s a BIG difference between thinking “everyone” *should* get COVID vaccinated, and “everyone” *must* get COVID vaccinated.

People can and should make their own decisions, but IMO that decision should be informed by real-world data and individual values - not speculation, misinformation, and irrational fear.

Ultimately, it should be YOUR call - SARS-CoV-2 ain’t smallpox.

See, you just can't even discuss it without impugning those who have a different opinion.

Now do the virus response, "should be informed by real-world data and individual values - not speculation, misinformation, and irrational fear."

 

[jamil]

I give up. What are unusual patterns of manipulation? Perhaps the use of corporations to intimidate people into taking the jab? Only bringing that one up because it has been the stated intent internationally.
By people of serpentine if not Venusian mentality.
The usual patterns are often the same as you can see adopted on interseine forums. Denigration, ridicule, ad hominem attacks, attempts at emotional intimidation coupled with denials of intent if confronted. The same as people commonly see exercised by nation states before a war. Truth isn't in it but hey, people frequently resort to what works.

Is it "use" of corporations, or are corporations adopting policies which they think are right for them? The UofL policy I posted earlier, for example. For the sake of the example, it's say it is, for practical purposes, a "corporation". They're using peer pressure to get students to wear masks. Is UofL being used by the deep state overlords? There isn't any evidence that they were directed by anyone to adopt that policy. They may have copied the policy from some other university or just struck out on their own. It's still an example of manipulation. Is there a grand conspiracy? Only if your instincts tell you that this is the best explanation for why they're doing in.

Also, does UofL "know" that vaccines are part of a grand scheme to depopulate the world, and they're in on the plan? I think they just think that they want compliance with vaccinations because they think it's an overall good.

 

[Ingomike]

It appears the plot is falling apart.

Without a mask, how can you tell if someone is vaccinated or not? Mask resistant and not vaccinated? I highly doubt that we will see secret police asking for proof of vaccination, not this time around anyway. Contact tracing didn't take hold very well.

If it was a big plot by the elitists, socialists, leftists, marxists, globalists, CCP, PLA, tri-lateralists, illuminati, Annunaki or serpent people from Saturn they are going to be pissed because somebody is dropping the ball and not following through on their plans.

Humanity is still here. Human fallibility is still on display. Our social hierarchy remains intact (or under attack if you prefer).

Never ascribe to malice or conspiracy that which can adequately be explained by ignorance or incompetence. Our own petty selfishness, bickering and pride will be the end of us before any surreptitious plot.

Ever hear of the vaccine passport our government is farming out to their corporate benefactors?

 

[JettaKnight]

Ever hear of the vaccine passport our government is farming out to their corporate benefactors?

Meh. They gotta be better at than the State Dept.
Ever had to wait on a US Passport?

 

[jamil]

And now looking at the calendar it becomes even more obvious there may be a political component to the timing. Remember Joe has a goal of 70% vaccination by July 4th.

So figure 1 week to get an appointment, wait at least 3 weeks after your first shot, then another 2 weeks to be considered fully vaccinated. So you are at six(6) weeks plus for full vaccination and July 4th is 7 weeks away.

Coincidence or are we truly following the science?

Why would we compare the number vaccinated to the entire population when the whole population is not eligible for the vaccine. As far as I know, some people are recommended not to get it because of various health situations, as well as the age limit for the vaccine. The denominator should be the number of people who can get the vaccine.

 

[Ingomike]

The Moderna paragraph is false.

It may have been correct a year ago, but it's not anymore.

Jeez... INGO meme fact checkers should get a life...

 

[HoughMade]

What about claims of fact presented in jpegs makes them immune from being evaluated for accuracy?

 

[JettaKnight]

And now looking at the calendar it becomes even more obvious there may be a political component to the timing. Remember Joe has a goal of 70% vaccination by July 4th.

So figure 1 week to get an appointment, wait at least 3 weeks after your first shot, then another 2 weeks to be considered fully vaccinated. So you are at six(6) weeks plus for full vaccination and July 4th is 7 weeks away.

Coincidence or are we truly following the science?

Sorry, but the only useful part of this post is to remind me that I need to get working on my Independence Day invites.

 

[nonobaddog]

Is it "use" of corporations, or are corporations adopting policies which they think are right for them? The UofL policy I posted earlier, for example. For the sake of the example, it's say it is, for practical purposes, a "corporation". They're using peer pressure to get students to wear masks. Is UofL being used by the deep state overlords? There isn't any evidence that they were directed by anyone to adopt that policy. They may have copied the policy from some other university or just struck out on their own. It's still an example of manipulation. Is there a grand conspiracy? Only if your instincts tell you that this is the best explanation for why they're doing in.

Also, does UofL "know" that vaccines are part of a grand scheme to depopulate the world, and they're in on the plan? I think they just think that they want compliance with vaccinations because they think it's an overall good.

I'm guessing they view it as more of a CYA thing and not a sinister plot thing.

 

[Ingomike]

Is it "use" of corporations, or are corporations adopting policies which they think are right for them? The UofL policy I posted earlier, for example. For the sake of the example, it's say it is, for practical purposes, a "corporation". They're using peer pressure to get students to wear masks. Is UofL being used by the deep state overlords? There isn't any evidence that they were directed by anyone to adopt that policy. They may have copied the policy from some other university or just struck out on their own. It's still an example of manipulation. Is there a grand conspiracy? Only if your instincts tell you that this is the best explanation for why they're doing in.

Also, does UofL "know" that vaccines are part of a grand scheme to depopulate the world, and they're in on the plan? I think they just think that they want compliance with vaccinations because they think it's an overall good.

If they were doing the actions I have seen reported related to money it would be anti-trust violations.

I am fed up with my, so called fellow citizens, being so stupid as to not be able to discern fraud from politicians.

Like cocaine Mitch raking in Chinese cash through the wife's family connections. GA governor orders mega millions PPE from China and brothers company gets big Chinese contract. The government using the credit reporting agencies to obtain information they would be slapped down for trying to get on their own. They have figured out how to f*** us and not violate the letter of the law, though they wreck the spirit. They have tribalized us to the point that partisans excuse their side for anything. Hence my choice of right examples to beark the cycle.

The government is offering favors to corporations that push their agendas...

 

[HoughMade]

Sorry, but the only useful part of this post is to remind me that I need to get working on my Independence Day invites.

I have a family reunion out of town every year...almost every year.

I made my hotel reservations 3 days ago.

 

[nonobaddog]

What about claims of fact presented in jpegs makes them immune from being evaluated for accuracy?

Humor. If they are funny they can lie like dumocraps.

 

[Karl-just-Karl]

An example of a pattern of manipulation. UofL announced that classrooms may now go without masks/social distancing, if everyone in the class is vaccinated. Well, so what if one person is not? Everyone has to wear masks and social distance even though there is confidence that the vaccine will prevent spread.

It’s the same pattern of manipulation as teachers have used in the classroom forever. Using peer pressure to enforce compliance. Punish the whole group for the actions of a few then the group will enforce the desired behavior.

Yeah I get the usual forms of manipulation. The post by NKBJ left an opening for the smart-acre approach of inquiring what unusual form of manipulation would be since there was a declaration/accusation of the state using usual forms of manipulation. I just wanted to know from a cognizant observer what form unusual manipulation might take. Long long way to go for self amusement.

 

[jamil]

What about claims of fact presented in jpegs makes them immune from being evaluated for accuracy?

While I think it's fair to criticize the fact-checking a meme when the truthfulness of the facts being challenged don't affect the overall validity of the meme, if the meme's central message depends on the correctness of the fact, then the meme itself deserves criticism.

But, as you've you've hit a very relevant point, it's not a meme just because someone has converted text one side likes to an image. It doesn't render bullet points ineligible for criticism just because they're part of an image with other bullet points.

 

[jamil]

Yeah I get the usual forms of manipulation. The post by NKBJ left an opening for the smart-acre approach of inquiring what unusual form of manipulation would be since there was a declaration/accusation of the state using usual forms of manipulation. I just wanted to know from a cognizant observer what form unusual manipulation might take. Long long way to go for self amusement.

If I were a smart-acre, I might say an unusual form of manipulation from presumably a government would be making people listen to Dr Fauci's nails-on-chalkboard voice, talking in a loop 24/7 through headphones that cannot be taken off. If it's an inhumane death sentence it would be listening to Christine Blasey Ford's testimony played the same way.

 

[KittySlayer]

Sorry, but the only useful part of this post is to remind me that I need to get working on my Independence Day invites.

You should be able to find special holiday masks on sale for distribution to the Independent minded people who are not vaccinated attending your Independence Day party.

 

[Karl-just-Karl]

Ever hear of the vaccine passport our government is farming out to their corporate benefactors?

Yeah, I heard of the considerations of our government considering tracking and tracing. Are they doing it? Will they do it? I don't know. Has it actually been asked of me? No. AOC and many others want the GOV to do all kinds of crazy crap. We aren't doing that stuff.

Just heard this moments ago:

Are corporations being good corporate citizens? You bet they are. Someone brought the hammer today declaring that our insurance (Cigna) might be in jeopardy if my employer is found to NOT be following Covid-19 protocols.

There y'all go! Right here is some UNUSUAL form of manipulation.

American health insurance company holding corporate subscription at-risk if corporation does not manage employees at-work behaviors adequately.