Four Minneapolis officers fired after death of black man part II

[Tombs]

I don’t consider my views on nationalism to be racist. I guess I lean more toward being a nationalist who also happens to be white. That’s where I draw the distinction from WN and WS.

I am an American nationalist. Not a white America and not a black America. Just America.

I believe Trump had the same overall vision for everyone. Others may disagree.

This is called civic nationalism.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I don’t consider my views on nationalism to be racist. I guess I lean more toward being a nationalist who also happens to be white. That’s where I draw the distinction from WN and WS.

I am an American nationalist. Not a white America and not a black America. Just America.

I believe Trump had the same overall vision for everyone. Others may disagree.

You’re talking about a totally different thing. Nationalism related to United States isn’t the same as White Nationalism. An American Nationalist will always choose to help other Americans even if it’s at the detriment to other nations. To draw a kinship to the previous thought, a White Nationalist (or Black for that matter) will choose their race in the same way. So yeah, two entirely different schools of thought. The former, is somewhat defensible, because of shared interests, the latter not so much. But for the record, I don’t like either version.

 

[KG1]

This is called civic nationalism.

American nationalism encompasses the policy of putting the interest of all American citizens first.

Civics pertains to civic affairs and the rights and duties of citizens within America.

 

[KG1]

You’re talking about a totally different thing. Nationalism related to United States isn’t the same as White Nationalism. An American Nationalist will always choose to help other Americans even if it’s at the detriment to other nations. To draw a kinship to the previous thought, a White Nationalist (or Black for that matter) will choose their race in the same way. So yeah, two entirely different schools of thought. The former, is somewhat defensible, because of shared interests, the latter not so much. But for the record, I don’t like either version.

Of course I’m talking about a totally different thing. Hence why I made the distinction. I do not share a kinship with any particular group who’s sole purpose is to advance nationalism in favor of their own particular race or ethnicity.

We can disagree about the issue of being an American nationalist without someone being accused of being a WN or WS. That’s my point.

Being an American nationalist doesn’t necessarily mean to the extreme of being a detriment to all others.

Some might view being a Globalist as being a detriment to America in the same vein.

 

[KG1]

It's late and I can't sleep so I would like to expound on what my idea of American nationalism means to me.

First of all it's not to the detriment of all others. I believe American citizens should be represented with American interests on a global scale.

I also believe that the current administration favors a Globalist society and seeks to partner with other Globalists that do not necessarily have the best interest of America at heart and tend to push a Globalist policy agenda that weakens America

That version I do not like.

 

[Tombs]

You’re talking about a totally different thing. Nationalism related to United States isn’t the same as White Nationalism. An American Nationalist will always choose to help other Americans even if it’s at the detriment to other nations. To draw a kinship to the previous thought, a White Nationalist (or Black for that matter) will choose their race in the same way. So yeah, two entirely different schools of thought. The former, is somewhat defensible, because of shared interests, the latter not so much. But for the record, I don’t like either version.

I don't think you get the concept that it's only a dirty affair if it isn't being done by other groups as well.

If race is completely off the politics board game, then an <race> nationalist is a dirty word. But if race is in politics, then it's just part of the game.

 

[DadSmith]

Armenians have a homeland. Ukrainians want to keep their NATION. The people there have unique shared cultures. Unless you want to tell me that, in America, White and Black people have distinctive cultures solely based around their skin color; your argument falls flat. A Black South Baptist is more aligned with a White Southern Baptist, that he is with a Black East Coast Catholic.

That I can confirm. In fact I was out of state in a small town called Zanesville, Oh. Just out of town a few miles was a Southern Baptist church being as I go to church on Sunday I was looking for a small country church like I go to at home. I found one about 5 miles south of Zanesville. I walked in and I was the only white person in the congregation. You know what. Not a racist among them they took my hand lead me to an open seat and we had a good time in worship. I had several invites for Sunday Dinner I took up one of the offers and had a great time. These people didn't know me nor I them but they were Christians and acted like Christians. Good people that I hope to visit again when I get back to that area.

Point is not all black hate white people. They love their country just as much as any white conservative does. Most of those people were farmers or country folk so I fit right in. I say this because there is a very vocal minority of black people BLM that do not represent the black community as a whole. Just the leftist/socialist/progressive ones.

 

[jamil]

Why do WNs want a White "homeland?" The answer to that question explains why I see there being no difference between the two. Trying to be clever and finding "alternative" reasons is intellectually dishonest. We all know why.

One wouldn’t need to be of the opinion that whites are superior to think that races should be separate. So there IS a distinction in meaning. However, practically speaking, I don’t think one would find many of either who don’t hold both views.

 

[jamil]

If it exists in politics, it needs a respectful opposition to keep it honest.
Lack of a real opposition to some of this crazy modern think is why we're in the mess we're in now.

I think people are missing the forest for the trees on this.

This is why free speech is so important, even free offensive speech. Even that which offends us is often truthful and informative. There are two sides to every story.

 

[Hawkeye]

Am I a HAS, a Hot Air Supremacist??

FIFY.

 

[jamil]

Partly human nature. We're all generally more comfortable around other humans most like we are, and visual differences are the easiest\quickest way to make distinctions. Might be why most of the black folks at work sit together in segregated groups at lunch. Couple that with being more sensitive about perceived sub-cultural\values differences they view as significant and wa-la.

With regard to the differences between WN and WS, my perception is that the most of the overt difference is the willingness to use violence to achieve goals. That being said, my only real experience with either is being labelled as such by stupid lefties too ignorant to put together a coherent defense of their ideological position.

When I first moved to Missippi i found it remarkable that blacks and whites were sitting at the same break tables.

I think there is (ironically) less cultural differences between Southern Blacks and Southern Whites. Of course everyone was fat and ugly so maybe that gave them a familiarity of appearance that overcame skin color. In the deep south you can find whole isles at grocery stores devoted to lard. Okay, maybe that’s a bit hyperbolic but lard is a staple there regardless of race. Point is, once you get past skin color people notice things they have in common.

 

[jamil]

Armenians have a homeland. Ukrainians want to keep their NATION. The people there have unique shared cultures. Unless you want to tell me that, in America, White and Black people have distinctive cultures solely based around their skin color; your argument falls flat. A Black South Baptist is more aligned with a White Southern Baptist, that he is with a Black East Coast Catholic.

I think lard can unite the races. Except that the coastal Karens want everyone to be vegan. Vegans are the real racists. End racism! Save the lard.

 

[jamil]

Another observation from Missippi, even though they ate lunch together churches were still segregated. Worship styles are different.

In the North especially. Some white churches seem to think syncopation is a sin. Jeez what dull music.

 

[jamil]

Yes, absolutely, but since the majority of employees at my pow are white, the appearance is that most black employees there feel more comfortable interacting with other black folks. If the demographics were reversed, I would imagine the same would be true, but it would appear like white folks voluntarily segregating into groups.

I don't doubt if I asked to sit at the "black" table, as you put it, I would be refused or discouraged, but the fact is we don't. Subconsciously I guess there's a perception that they chose to segregate, so joining would be an imposition. I mean, they're more than welcome at the "white" table, but they chose not to sit there, so what am I to think?

I didn't claim my lunchroom was a microcosm of racial nationalism. I simply said that human beings, just like animals, are more comfortable with others they can most identify with. There's nothing really wrong with that, unless one let's those natural inclinations treat others poorly. The larger differences appear when those natural inclinations are magnified by cultural or values differences. Taken to the extreme, where groups consider differences irreconcilable, you get white (or black or whatever) nationalism. Add a layer of racial superiority, and you get white (or black or whatever) supremacy.

But when you get down to the nitty, there are often as many similarities between people with different skin pigmentation as there are with the same ligmentation. Except people with freckles. They’re just oddballs.

 

[jamil]

Do those Baptists attend the same church, or do they want their own? And, if 'B', why do you think that is?

Because white people have boring services.

 

[KG1]

I don't think you get the concept that it's only a dirty affair if it isn't being done by other groups as well.

If race is completely off the politics board game, then an <race> nationalist is a dirty word. But if race is in politics, then it's just part of the game.

There is no doubt that there are some who deal in racial politics. It's not a good look from either side.

 

[IndyDave1776]

A catholic isnt sitting down with a baptist. They dont have time to have their ear talked off and the over the top positivity may kill them.

Not always. For example, when in college I spent most of my social time with the Catholic campus ministry (while being non-Catholic) just because it was a fun and pleasant group of people who saw the brighter side of life and didn't see denominational differences as battle lines.

 

[IndyDave1776]

This discussion of church brings to mind my experience delivering rental equipment in the Indianapolis area.

It was a common occurrence to be treated like a leper while delivering to churches, even one noteworthy example I had previously visited for an annual event this church hosted.

By contrast, I recall that every time concern was shown for my spiritual condition it was at a predominately black church. Not once did anyone at a predominately white church give a flip about anything other than getting me down the road as quickly as possible.

 

[Thor]

Always look on the sunny side of life...

What the HE double hockey sticks did I just read...

 

[KLB]

I don’t consider my views on nationalism to be racist. I guess I lean more toward being a nationalist who also happens to be white. That’s where I draw the distinction from WN and WS.

I am an American nationalist. Not a white America and not a black America. Just America.

I believe Trump had the same overall vision for everyone. Others may disagree.

White Nationalists are not Nationalists that happen to be white. They are at best bigots and prejudiced, at worst racists.

They want a white nation. There is nothing American about that. This country has always been about accepting those from around the world that wish to have a chance to make a better life for themselves. We've accepted people from around the world, all nations, all religions, and all colors. Anyone that says the country should be a specific color, religion, or anything else wants a fundamentally different nation.

I for one am happy that I had the great fortune to have been born and lived in this nation. Anyone that wants to fundamentally change it can FATWO.