What the Indy FedEx Shooting Means for INGO

[churchmouse]

Paddle? Heck that was a school thing. I got beat with whatever was within arms reach.
In no particular order:
Belt
House shoe
Switch
Dishrag
Hot Wheels track
Hand
Wooden spoon
Fly swatter

So as much as some of you don’t like me, I think between the ages of 3 to 15, my parents, and various assortment or relatives, disliked me more.

Hot wheels track......

But my mother had a left hook that came out of nowhere. Sugar ray leanord did not have that kind of speed and accuracy. Most times when that was applied I was asking for it anyway. Until my sisters learned the art of setting me up if they did not get their way.

 

[ChristianPatriot]

Hot wheels track......

But my mother had a left hook that came out of nowhere. Sugar ray leanord did not have that kind of speed and accuracy. Most times when that was applied I was asking for it anyway. Until my sisters learned the art of setting me up if they did not get their way.

Funny how that perspective changes as you get older. It goes from “They’re so hard on me!” to “Yeah I absolutely deserved all of it and more.”

 

[DadSmith]

Paddle? Heck that was a school thing. I got beat with whatever was within arms reach.
In no particular order:
Belt
House shoe
Switch
Dishrag
Hot Wheels track
Hand
Wooden spoon
Fly swatter

So as much as some of you don’t like me, I think between the ages of 3 to 15, my parents, and various assortment or relatives, disliked me more.

So your grandmother corrected you and educated you with all that?

Now my mother was a switch made from a tree branch very green around 1/2" thick, very painful and you knew what to expect every time you repeated that stupidity. Dad was a belt guy. If the offense was bad enough right after you got corrected by mom she would say "I'm telling your father." Which means another lesson as why you shouldn't have done whatever you did. I mean talk about double jeopardy....

I'm sure a lot of us had these experiences except maybe millennials and Gen Z's they probably got/get the least amount of that kind of education.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I remember the yard stick, fly swatter and just the hand, but it wasn't often. Dad's tone of voice was usually enough for me. Mom was usual the administrator of what little bit of corporal punishment I received.

Dad laid down the law in different ways. Like when I was bugging him with a rolled up newspaper wanting to have a "sword fight" (a couple of pages rolled longways and pretty flimsy). When Dad got tired of me doing that, he'd roll up a newspaper too... Most of the newspaper, folded in half, then rolled up tight. I was like, "En Guarde!" Dad was like, "Whack!" Fight over...

 

[ChristianPatriot]

So your grandmother corrected you and educated you with all that?

Now my mother was a switch made from a tree branch very green around 1/2" thick, very painful and you knew what to expect every time you repeated that stupidity. Dad was a belt guy. If the offense was bad enough right after you got corrected by mom she would say "I'm telling your father." Which means another lesson as why you shouldn't have done whatever you did. I mean talk about double jeopardy....

I'm sure a lot of us had these experiences except maybe millennials and Gen Z's they probably got/get the least amount of that kind of education.

I’m a millennial, and I got PLENTY of corporal punishment. My kids also get plenty of it as well. Not all is lost. There are still good parents my age.

 

[KG1]

Yep there was nothing like getting your butt warmed with an old fashioned wooden spoon.

 

[OkieGirl]

Now, my question is this....If we give our broken system any further authority beyond what they are misusing currently how can we trust anything they implement. All I see is another tool to divide us, disarm us and push us closer to the socialists Utopia/Euro model they seek.

Our broken legal system desperately needs to enforce existing laws and mind it's store.

Mental health should be a covered preventative care service that is a STANDARD part of any health insurance package. The fact that it is not readily available and fully covered is where the discussion could start...

 

[churchmouse]

Yep there was nothing like getting your butt warmed with an old fashioned wooden spoon.

Moms spoons seemed massive by todays offerings.

 

[DadSmith]

Finally something that I agree with Kut on!

Hey Kut has posted good things sometimes

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Moms spoons seemed massive by todays offerings.

Like this?

 

[DadSmith]

So as much as some of you don’t like me

I don't have a problem with you in a hate or dislike you as a person way. I don't even know you how could I make that decision?
I may not like what you post and I'm sure you feel the same about my posts. When I feel you are right I support that. I like having you around it keeps the forum lively at times
In person we would probably get along fine after you got to know me and if you don't wear your feelings on your shirt sleeves.

 

[DadSmith]

Yep there was nothing like getting your butt warmed with an old fashioned wooden spoon.

My Grandmother's paddle warmed them up good too.

 

[foszoe]

Does this mean that we will now begin a real conversation on Mental Health in this country?

I think everyone who had been watching and learning about the shooter understands that there were real issues. If we think the world they are growing up in today is the same as when we were coming up we are sadly mistaken. I do believe 19 is an adult, he was not a kid. I do believe he was suffering from mental health issues. If a firearm had not been the tool used it would have been a knife or a club or a car. We've got to stop looking at the 'tool' of the action and dig into the internal mechanism that lead the person to make these decisions.

Quick observations - the facility was a gun free zone. No LAW ABIDING/Rule Following citizens were carrying inside. Murder is still illegal in this country. Are we to punish the innocent for fear of the wicked?

When the end game is no guns, no one will care about mental health until there are no guns, legally.

 

[KG1]

Moms spoons seemed massive by todays offerings.

They were big enough to get the point across. That's for sure.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Did they though? Didn’t he pass some kind of psyche eval after his mother’s initial concerns?

Define pass.

Police confiscated his firearm (shotgun?), and put him in a 72 hour involuntary psychiatric hold. They never returned his shotgun, but I'm not sure what to make of that.

I also don't know what to think of him passing two background checks to buy new firearms afterward.

Once again, it seems that background checks delay or deny more innocent people than it does people with "problems" in their background.

It's up to 72 hrs, not has to be 72 hrs. I know someone that got one, they were back home before their coffee was cold. Well not really but close. I think they got it in the afternoon and were home in the evening if not sooner.

As for not returning the shotgun, this is the IMPD after all, no offense to any of our IMPD members. We had a member who had to get an attorney involved to get his legally owned firearm back, IIRC they took it after a car accident before he went into the ambulance. Something like that anyway. The property room has to test fire it and run the numbers to make sure it doesn't match any crime, and they have a backlog that is months long iirc. Then you have to get fingerprinted and they run them before they can return it. Then they have to get a supervisor/officer that confiscated to sign off on the return. Then you have to schedule a date to pick it up, and since they only have a couple of people working there...

I don't know if they Jake Laird him or not, I don't believe the hearings are public record due to the fact that it's "medical info". The Chief made a statement that he didn't know if they he had a hearing or not. And the Prosecutor either no commented or didn't return messages.

Some kids are grown up at 12 and others it may take 40 years.

It all depends on how they were raised and how active their parents were in their rearing.

I wouldn't say it all depends, but it is a big factor. I've know people with good parents that turned out to be crap, and people with crap parents who turned out good. I knew a 13 yr old girl who was much more grown up than quite a few I knew that were in their 20s. To give you and idea of how crappy her parents were, when she was 7 or so she had to call her grandma because her younger brother wouldn't stop crying. He was still in diapers, she had been watching him for something like 4-5 days because her parents were out on a crack binge.

 

[IndyBeerman]

Paddle? Heck that was a school thing. I got beat with whatever was within arms reach.
In no particular order:
Belt
House shoe
Switch
Dishrag
Hot Wheels track
Hand
Wooden spoon
Fly swatter

So as much as some of you don’t like me, I think between the ages of 3 to 15, my parents, and various assortment or relatives, disliked me more.

Kids have not lived life until they've had their arse beat with a Hot Wheel Track I know that feeling personally.
But the one that hurt the most was the old leather strap used for razor sharpening.

Let's put it this way, my father and his parents would tan my backside if I didn't move from one spot to another fast enough.
As much as I hate to say it, in a span of 7 months I lost both of my dads parents due to passing away, and my dad to divorce. I never had my arse whipped again for no reason.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

They were big enough to get the point across. That's for sure.

My mom occasionally would use a wooden spoon, but she preferred her wooden Dr. Scholl sandals. She'd grab it by the strap and swing it. My one aunt prefered a switch, and you would have to go get it yourself. Here is what the sandals were like.

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[KLB]

Whose fault is that?

What was the INGO majority thought of this thread, when they seen the OP's username?

I'm not picking on our friend, but he really, really could work on his reputation on INGO? Maybe post about guns once in a while, without any agenda issues?

Majority? Far from it. I think the majority are able to read his posts with open minds. Others, as I said, read every word in the worst possible light. It isn't like I agree with much of what he posts, but I can't imagine ever reporting one of his posts. Like CM said, if people can't handle reading his posts like adults, just ignore him.

 

[Old Dog]

In all fairness, the kid was only 19. He was just a kid. What the hell did he know?

And our government sends 18 year olds to foreign lands to kill our enemies, claiming they are old enough.

 

[mbills2223]

Didn't read most of this thread, but I wanted to just say: we don't have a gun problem in this country, we don't even have a mental health problem in this country...we have a mental health CARE problem.

End the stigma, get people the help they need.