Text Released for HR 127 To provide for the licensing of firearm and ammunition possession and the registration of firearms, and to prohibit the posse

[SarahG]

Emailed my 3 congressional critters. I figure if this picks up any steam, I’ll move up to calling them to bother them about it.

 

[Pepi]

I think that’s what they “left” wants , then they can say see ! Them crazy gun people shouldn’t have guns !

I agree with you. This will be a 'dam if you don't dam if you do' scenario.

 

[jsx1043]

They are doing everything they can to corner us and cause a reaction when all we want is to be left alone...

 

[2ndamendlover1]

Text for Bill 127

Looks like the gist of it is
1) Registration of all firearms with database being accessable by law enforcement, military, any govt. agency, and the general public.
2) Federal license to own or purchase a firearm.
A) Mandatory training to own and purchase.
B) Mandatory psychological exam to own and purchase a firearm.
C) Mandatory purchase of insurance to own a firearm.
3) Licensing fee of $800
4) Illegal (not NFA) to own a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds.
5) Description on what constitutes military style weapons

This is what happens when democrats steal elections next up is our constitutional rights

 

[JeepHammer]

(angry rant clipped) The bad decisions were the countless compromises we made over the decades, giving up a little every time. (More angry rant/insults clipped)

The points (plural) are many...
Top of the list is mass shootings.

Unless *YOU* have a definitive way to keep firearms out of mass shooter's hands, the rest of the population IS eventually going to ATTEMPT to do something about it.

Those attempts may be (and probably will be) misguided.

The absolute and utter refusal of so called "Law & Order" types to not only follow the law,
BUT THE INTENT OF THE LAW,
is what will eventually bring more controls & restrictions down...

Since so many have expressed they directly oppose, and refuse to do dealer/instant background transfers, that mild restriction will be much more harsh when it's revisited.

Law enforcement has been sadly lacking on their end of things also.
Some straw purchasers have been charged, but only after the firearms was used in serious crime.
That needs to change.

Some 'Private Sales' sellers have been charged, but again, only after serious crimes were committed with the firearm.
See Kenosha shooter for example.
This also needs to change.
ANY background check, or simple check of drivers licence would have kept the Kenosha shooter from purchasing the rifle, but the seller just wanted the cash and didn't care a damn for the law, intent of the law, public safety or anything else...

Unless you are my age, *YOU* have "LOST" exactly nothing.

Most of the people complaining were alive in 1968, or owned automatic/automatic devices in 1984, and the little restriction of the 1994 "Assault Weapons Ban" (cosmetic inconvenience) expired in 2004,
Indiana hasn't imposed any new restriction ever that I can remember.

Most just throw a fit because they were told to throw a fit by extremist PROPAGANDA.
Now, if you lived in New York or California you would have a complaint leg to stand on, but here it's just whining when you aren't hurt...

UNLESS/UNTIL *YOU* come up with an idea how to stop the mass shooters, and extremist idiots taking over capitol buildings, and decide to comply with current laws/intent of those laws, there WILL be new laws/restrictions passed to make the general masses feel safe (even if they aren't).
It's just the way of the world, like Japanese-American internment camps during WWII, just like the 94 "Assault Weapons Ban", and a hundred other dumb ideas that have come & gone.

What you and so many others failed to absorb...
Having your RIGHTS to own firearms on your driver's licence/state ID card is automatic, instantly certifies your rights.
The only way to have that removed is by doing something that gets you restricted, like commiting a qualifying crime, having a mental illness where you are legally disqualified from having firearms, ect.

Advocating that EVERYONE, regardless of age, criminal record, mental illness, ect has some 'RIGHT' to be armed to the teeth is beyond silly, it's dangerously criminal.
The idea YOU should be able to sell firearms to underage, criminals, mentally ill makes YOU dangerous & criminal also.

SINCE YOU SIMPLY REFUSE TO PARTICIPATE IN CURRENT SOCIETY, FOLLOW CURRENT LAWS/INTENT OF LAWS, *YOU* become the problem...
And *YOU* are only 30% of the voting population, not enough to block a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT, and 2A could cease to exist entirely...

Roll that one around in your head a while...

 

[jbombelli]

The points (plural) are many...
Top of the list is mass shootings.

Unless *YOU* have a definitive way to keep firearms out of mass shooter's hands, the rest of the population IS eventually going to ATTEMPT to do something about it.

Those attempts may be (and probably will be) misguided.

The absolute and utter refusal of so called "Law & Order" types to not only follow the law,
BUT THE INTENT OF THE LAW,
is what will eventually bring more controls & restrictions down...

Since so many have expressed they directly oppose, and refuse to do dealer/instant background transfers, that mild restriction will be much more harsh when it's revisited.

Law enforcement has been sadly lacking on their end of things also.
Some straw purchasers have been charged, but only after the firearms was used in serious crime.
That needs to change.

Some 'Private Sales' sellers have been charged, but again, only after serious crimes were committed with the firearm.
See Kenosha shooter for example.
This also needs to change.
ANY background check, or simple check of drivers licence would have kept the Kenosha shooter from purchasing the rifle, but the seller just wanted the cash and didn't care a damn for the law, intent of the law, public safety or anything else...

Unless you are my age, *YOU* have "LOST" exactly nothing.

Most of the people complaining were alive in 1968, or owned automatic/automatic devices in 1984, and the little restriction of the 1994 "Assault Weapons Ban" (cosmetic inconvenience) expired in 2004,
Indiana hasn't imposed any new restriction ever that I can remember.

Most just throw a fit because they were told to throw a fit by extremist PROPAGANDA.
Now, if you lived in New York or California you would have a complaint leg to stand on, but here it's just whining when you aren't hurt...

UNLESS/UNTIL *YOU* come up with an idea how to stop the mass shooters, and extremist idiots taking over capitol buildings, and decide to comply with current laws/intent of those laws, there WILL be new laws/restrictions passed to make the general masses feel safe (even if they aren't).
It's just the way of the world, like Japanese-American internment camps during WWII, just like the 94 "Assault Weapons Ban", and a hundred other dumb ideas that have come & gone.

What you and so many others failed to absorb...
Having your RIGHTS to own firearms on your driver's licence/state ID card is automatic, instantly certifies your rights.
The only way to have that removed is by doing something that gets you restricted, like commiting a qualifying crime, having a mental illness where you are legally disqualified from having firearms, ect.

Advocating that EVERYONE, regardless of age, criminal record, mental illness, ect has some 'RIGHT' to be armed to the teeth is beyond silly, it's dangerously criminal.
The idea YOU should be able to sell firearms to underage, criminals, mentally ill makes YOU dangerous & criminal also.

SINCE YOU SIMPLY REFUSE TO PARTICIPATE IN CURRENT SOCIETY, FOLLOW CURRENT LAWS/INTENT OF LAWS, *YOU* become the problem...
And *YOU* are only 30% of the voting population, not enough to block a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT, and 2A could cease to exist entirely...

Roll that one around in your head a while...

LOL

 

[JeepHammer]

The passing of this Bill would cause a civil war. Total violation of the 2nd

Firearms owners are 30% of the voting population...
Takes at least a 34% minority to block a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.

We don't have the votes to stop 2A from being severely restricted or entirely removed from the Constitution should it come to that.
2/3 super marjority carries the day.

It's time to think strategy instead of tactically or the potential is there to lose the war long term.

*IF* firearms owners don't come up with common sense ideas,
And FULLY ENDORSE the ideas/laws, then we *Could* lose the entire ball of wax...

It's past time to shut up and listen,
Put emphasis on adhering to current laws and show the general public WE can deal with some of this crap ourselves instead of continuously spouting the extremist propaganda of the far, Far, FAR right...
Just sound & fury resulting in nothing should things take a turn for the worst.

 

[jbombelli]

Firearms owners are 30% of the voting population...
Takes at least a 34% minority to block a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.

We don't have the votes to stop 2A from being severely restricted or entirely removed from the Constitution should it come to that.
2/3 super marjority carries the day.

It's time to think strategy instead of tactically or the potential is there to lose the war long term.

LOL. Are you still trying to win? You're starting to come across like a federal agent trying to get people to say something stupid on the internet. If someone does, do you have a buddy that will reach out and offer to get them some C4 or something?

 

[phylodog]

Nope. Simple answer.

Our "member" in favor of this and every other POS who believes I should pay the price for the crimes of others are free to turn in whatever they please for their well established ******** sense of false security it will bring them but the answer is no.

I'm already considered a white supremacist and right wing extremist by these ****ing morons so why the hell would I bother to go along with this? Don't start none, won't be none but the fools had better open their crossed up eyes and realize what they're up against. The top knot wearing soy boys aren't going to fare well trying to enforce this type of garbage.

I see no reason to cooperate with attempts to turn the entire country into the types of God forsaken hell holes like Chicago, NY, LA, Detroit or Houston. If idiots want to live like that they can move there.

 

[2A_Tom]

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[phylodog]

It baffles me how people can be so ****ing stupid to believe this is a reasonable way forward for this country. Name one ****ing thing that went away when humans decided to ban it? Just one. I'll start a list of **** that didn't hasn't and won't.

Murder
Rape
Robbery
Child abuse/molestation
Cocaine
Marijuana
Heroin
Methamphetamines
Alcohol

But this is gonna work this time, why? Because we're all soooo blessed to be living among our incredibly intelligent, wholesome and moral society?

Anyone who supports this doesn't deserve to enjoy the freedoms of this country and should be forced out. If freedom is too scary to deal with just move on.

 

[JeepHammer]

This is what happens when democrats steal elections next up is our constitutional rights

Despite every single district, state and federal election board, which are all split right down the middle in political party,

And despite republicans being 50% (or more) of civilian OVERSIGHT committees on district, state & federal election, watching the watchers...

Not one single sustainable case of vote stealing, ballot box stuffing, ect came out of the election.
(Just Qanon and Trump claims)

63 law suits filed, NOT EVEN ONE provable case of election fraud, all 63 thrown out due to lack of evidence, and by more than 50% Republican judges!
68% Republican judges to be exact...

Now you drag PROVEN FALSE claims of election fraud on a mass scale into a debate about firearms regulation...
I'd say that's a two fold problem,
1. Belief in false/fictions conspiracy theories.
2. Inability to focus on the subject at hand.

Now, let's go to who really stole elections...
2000 & 2004 elections where Dibold machines threw 3/5 (fractions when whole numbers should have came up) to GWB in at least 5 states,
And let's not forget the 68,000 votes that showed up in storage lockers in Florida after the 2000 election that GWBs brother put a gag order on discussing...

Florida was the swing state that got GWB appointed president by the electorial collage,
GWB didn't win the popular vote in either of his elections, was an appointed president.

As a result of 2000, 2004 election 'Irrigularites' Dibold wasn't allowed to make the software for its own machines after a congressional investigation, a 3rd party was required to make that software.

The new generation of voting machines everyone is loosing their minds about CAN NOT throw the vote, has to be hard wired/hard programmed to NOT be tampered with simply because congress required it.

Let's not forget the so called 'Republican Swing States' refuse to join 43 other states in a data base that checks for multiple voter registration overlap, Florida being the state that resists the hardest, even having a legislature/governor (Bush) that passed laws against joining...

If you want to talk about election fraud, let's talk Republican gerrymandering, purging inner city voter rolls, voting machine to voter ratios in inner cities, ect.

I'm sure Qanon and the other extremist propaganda sites don't work those proven facts into the conspiracy theories, no time with spreading crap like Biden is actually JFK Jr in a CGI mask & Trump being a billion year old alien sent here to cure all illness...

One thing you can say, the conspiracy theory extremists aren't short of imagination!

Joe Biden is JFK Jr: wild Q conspiracies

Joe Biden is really John F. Kennedy Jnr in a CGI mask and Donald Trump is a billion-year-old intergalactic being made of pure starlight who plans to introduce a cure for all disease in his second term.

www.news.com.au

 

[phylodog]

All ********. Every bit of it. Your side can't win legitimately because their ideas don't mix with freedom. Go start another weak minded country somewhere else where you can get permission before taking a ****.

 

[JeepHammer]

LOL. Are you still trying to win? You're starting to come across like a federal agent trying to get people to say something stupid on the internet. If someone does, do you have a buddy that will reach out and offer to get them some C4 or something?

Already did, I don't have a dog in the fight.

Remember, I can, and already have passed the background checks...

Nothing in that bill draft that covers NFA firearms.
I'm pretty sure I can forego a semi/civilian AR or AK clone and just keep my NFA versions.

AND, calling me a 'Rat' won't get you anywhere at all, no points for name calling, making false accusations.
At no time have I ever expressed any opinion on anything but following both the word & intent of the law for myself and anyone I deal with.

If YOU want to break the laws, or intent of the law, that's entirely on you.
Something about birds of a feather in there somewhere...

I was only born with my balls and my word, I won't break either, so conspiracy theorist/slow/shiftliss types are about as worrysome to me as a passing fly on a sunny day...

 

[jbombelli]

Already did, I don't have a dog in the fight.

Remember, I can, and already have passed the background checks...

Nothing in that bill draft that covers NFA firearms.
I'm pretty sure I can forego a semi/civilian AR or AK clone and just keep my NFA versions.

AND, calling me a 'Rat' won't get you anywhere at all, no points for name calling, making false accusations.
At no time have I ever expressed any opinion on anything but following both the word & intent of the law for myself and anyone I deal with.

If YOU want to break the laws, or intent of the law, that's entirely on you.
Something about birds of a feather in there somewhere...

I was only born with my balls and my word, I won't break either, so conspiracy theorist/slow/shiftliss types are about as worrysome to me as a passing fly on a sunny day...

Lol. As I said before, may your chains rest lightly upon you.

I'm a free man. I do what I want, when I want, where I want, with whom I want, and with what I want.

You want to compromise? Go right ahead. Try as you might, you aren't getting anybody here on your side, no matter how much horse**** you spew.

 

[phylodog]

But they'll surely let us keep our NFA items, right?

Gotta be *hittin me... No one can be that naive.

 

[actaeon277]

You can, and already have passed background checks.
For now.
The goal posts keep moving in case you didn't notice.

 

[2A_Tom]

Already did, I don't have a dog in the fight.

Remember, I can, and already have passed the background checks...

Nothing in that bill draft that covers NFA firearms.
I'm pretty sure I can forego a semi/civilian AR or AK clone and just keep my NFA versions.

AND, calling me a 'Rat' won't get you anywhere at all, no points for name calling, making false accusations.
At no time have I ever expressed any opinion on anything but following both the word & intent of the law for myself and anyone I deal with.

If YOU want to break the laws, or intent of the law, that's entirely on you.
Something about birds of a feather in there somewhere...

I was only born with my balls and my word, I won't break either, so conspiracy theorist/slow/shiftliss types are about as worrysome to me as a passing fly on a sunny day...

First time I have ever heard of an NFA FUDD.

 

[JeepHammer]

All ********. Every bit of it. Your side can't win legitimately because their ideas don't mix with freedom. Go start another weak minded country somewhere else where you can get permission before taking a ****.

I think you missed the part where *YOUR* "Personal Freedoms" END where they are predicted, or actually overlap with the "Public Welfare".

*YOUR* "Personal Freedoms" to swing your arms around END at the next guys nose... To reduce it to the most simple terms.

That statement is a prime example of the problem...
A complete sense of SELF ENTITLEMENT that was spawned sometime after I grew up.
We had firearms in the house 100% of my childhood, we had back window gun racks at school when I grew up,
But at no time, and by no one I ever met would consider using those firearms to harm anyone else...
And let's not forget no one broke into your vehicle and stole those firearms, so theift was off the table.

The completely self entitled generations since have created the big issues,
Have ZERO chance of admitting they caused it,
Have ZERO chance of correcting it...

So now somebody is offering a misguided idea to correct the situation, and the same generations that created the problems are freaking out about their self entitled importance talking about 'Freedoms' to do any idiot idea that pops into their heads...

I'd say lack of PARENTING by the 'ME' generation,
Lousy parents raise lousy kids, and so on...

 

[actaeon277]

*YOUR* "Personal Freedoms" to swing your arms around END at the next guys nose... To reduce it to the most simple terms.


Right.
So why are you calling to amputate everyone's arms?