To Mask or Not to Mask?

[CampingJosh]

I think it's hard to say masking is all that helpful, in the real world, when we've had masking mandates all through the surge in cases.

Effectiveness hinges on compliance. I am still surprised in those rare instances when I find myself in situations where the majority of people are wearing a mask correctly.

I think the shutdowns were effective in limiting the spread, but we can't do that forever. And we can't mask forever either.

Why can't wearing masks go on long-term? Is it just the practical observation that Americans won't leading you to say that we can't?

And I don't hold out a lot of hope for the vaccine. Fauci saying that it won't prevent people from being infected, but it does reduce/eliminate symptoms isn't very encouraging.

No vaccine prevents initial infections. A vaccine gives the immune system the tools/training, so to speak, to respond to an infection in such a way that there isn't the bad outcome. But the infection still happens.

 

[JettaKnight]

Doesn't he know the elections are over? And doesn't he know that Utah is a Red State?

Utah Gov. Announces Statewide Mask Mandate, Citing Steep Spike In COVID-19 Cases

 

[BugI02]

At what time?

And don't misunderstand me; I'm not advocating. I'm just sharing that I think the federal government has a carrot big enough to purchase compliance from state governments.

Both times when Pelosi presented the Democrat supported versions of relief bills. Many items unrelated to actual relief for the people (such as money for the kennedy Center, money to bail out large cities' sinking balance sheets, SALT cap relief etc) were included both times. The federal government at those times was not advocating those expenditures

 

[Sylvain]

What are the current laws/rules in Indiana concerning masks?
Is it mandatory somewhere?
Can businesses require their customers to wear masks? And deny you access if you refuse (like the "no shirt, no service" thing).

 

[BugI02]

I think it's hard to say masking is all that helpful, in the real world, when we've had masking mandates all through the surge in cases. I think the shutdowns were effective in limiting the spread, but we can't do that forever. And we can't mask forever either. And I don't hold out a lot of hope for the vaccine. Fauci saying that it won't prevent people from being infected, but it does reduce/eliminate symptoms isn't very encouraging.

I think all the ways humans can interfere with disease doesn't always work. Maybe we're not smarter than this one. Maybe we just let it burn through the population and do what we can to mitigate transmitting it to the most vulnerable people. But if you say stuff like that some people on INGO like to call you bad names.

But it would be useful as political theatre so that the political candidate who claimed he would do a better job with the virus could be seen as doing something. The media flying top cover for that candidate would could then be relied upon to get all leg-tingly about his decisive and effective leadership stopping the ocean (of cases) from rising

 

[BugI02]

Silence = Death, or something

 

[foszoe]

Doesn't he know the elections are over? And doesn't he know that Utah is a Red State?

Utah Gov. Announces Statewide Mask Mandate, Citing Steep Spike In COVID-19 Cases

He's trying to get state aid from Biden

 

[HoughMade]

He's trying to get state aid from Biden

Of course!

 

[Tombs]

Can businesses require their customers to wear masks? And deny you access if you refuse (like the "no shirt, no service" thing).

Yes, they can enforce dress code and charge you for trespass if you refuse to leave.

 

[Sylvain]

Yes, they can enforce dress code and charge you for trespass if you refuse to leave.

But you can't get a ticket/fine for not wearing a mask in a store, unless there's a city or state mandate, right?

 

[CampingJosh]

But you can't get a ticket/fine for not wearing a mask in a store, unless there's a city or state mandate, right?

In Indiana (and most states), even the state mandate has no enforcement. You can't get a ticket for not wearing a mask anyway.

 

[Route 45]

In Indiana (and most states), even the state mandate has no enforcement. You can't get a ticket for not wearing a mask anyway.

Which is why it's so funny watching people on INGO howling like they are being loaded onto cattle cars.

 

[Sylvain]

In Indiana (and most states), even the state mandate has no enforcement. You can't get a ticket for not wearing a mask anyway.

What the point of those if it's not enforced?

I assumed a state mandate meant it was the law, as opposed to a rule or policy that a store would have.

 

[BugI02]

What the point of those if it's not enforced?

I assumed a state mandate meant it was the law, as opposed to a rule or policy that a store would have.

To get a law, the petty tyrants would have to go before the legislature - and they're pretty sure they know how that would turn out

 

[Ingomike]

Show me science before politicization...

 

[jamil]

Effectiveness hinges on compliance. I am still surprised in those rare instances when I find myself in situations where the majority of people are wearing a mask correctly.



Why can't wearing masks go on long-term? Is it just the practical observation that Americans won't leading you to say that we can't?



No vaccine prevents initial infections. A vaccine gives the immune system the tools/training, so to speak, to respond to an infection in such a way that there isn't the bad outcome. But the infection still happens.

I understand how Vaccines work. Your beef is with Fauci. He said just a week or so ago that the first vaccines for covid will not prevent the disease, they’ll only prevent symptoms. That, of course, was before the announcement of the 90% effective one.

Why can’t wearing masks go on long term? I’ve already answered that. Why are we spiking during a mask mandate? You say it’s because people aren’t wearing them correctly. And fair enough, many people aren’t. What makes you think that extending mask wearing indefinitely would yield a better result. Are you suggesting that we have roving Karens patrol for improper mask wearing?

 

[CampingJosh]

What makes you think that extending mask wearing indefinitely would yield a better result.

Taiwan, Korea, and Japan. And it wouldn't need to be indefinitely; it would need to be with a high degree of compliance for a couple of months.

Are you suggesting that we have roving Karens patrol for improper mask wearing?

I would prefer an educated populace who understand that we're wrecking our own economy by dragging this thing on. I'd much prefer people just do it because it's in everyone's best interest--including everyone annoyed by having to wear a mask.

But as a second option, I would take enforcement looking the same as with speeding tickets.

Oh, and were you just looking for an excuse to say "Karen"? Because that's definitely how all kinds of laws are always enforced, right?

 

[SheepDog4Life]

I understand how Vaccines work. Your beef is with Fauci. He said just a week or so ago that the first vaccines for covid will not prevent the disease, they’ll only prevent symptoms. That, of course, was before the announcement of the 90% effective one.

Why can’t wearing masks go on long term? I’ve already answered that. Why are we spiking during a mask mandate? You say it’s because people aren’t wearing them correctly. And fair enough, many people aren’t. What makes you think that extending mask wearing indefinitely would yield a better result.

I've seen with my own eyes entire towns without a single mask on going into gas stations and restaurants in Indiana, Illinois, Missouri and Iowa. It's these same non-urban areas that are spiking the worst... look at the map, the red counties are not wearing masks.

And the spike will flatten when that behavior changes... I saw the same thing in Vanderburgh county June to the first of July. First wave largely missed us, people were very complacent, then cases started spiking after Memorial day... not long afterwards instead of only 10% wearing masks, 90% were, and the curve flattened here locally.

I've seen this with my own eyes both here and elsewhere.

Are you suggesting that we have roving Karens patrol for improper mask wearing?

Nope, it's self-correcting when people know people who are gravely sick or know someone who dies. Then they know it's not a hoax and act accordingly.

 

[Ingomike]

I've seen with my own eyes entire towns without a single mask on going into gas stations and restaurants in Indiana, Illinois, Missouri and Iowa. It's these same non-urban areas that are spiking the worst... look at the map, the red counties are not wearing masks.

And the spike will flatten when that behavior changes... I saw the same thing in Vanderburgh county June to the first of July. First wave largely missed us, people were very complacent, then cases started spiking after Memorial day... not long afterwards instead of only 10% wearing masks, 90% were, and the curve flattened here locally.

I've seen this with my own eyes both here and elsewhere.


Nope, it's self-correcting when people know people who are gravely sick or know someone who dies. Then they know it's not a hoax and act accordingly.

Many of us are over it. Your last paragraph is exactly correct, the vast majority are not seeing numbers of gravely sick or folks dying that are surprising to them and while they understand that we are enduring a pandemic the pandemic just has not manifested itself in a way that scares intelligent, logical, independent thinking people.

 

[churchmouse]

Many of us are over it. Your last paragraph is exactly correct, the vast majority are not seeing numbers of gravely sick or folks dying that are surprising to them and while they understand that we are enduring a pandemic the pandemic just has not manifested itself in a way that scares intelligent, logical, independent thinking people.

We have experienced it 1st hand. We know many that tested positive but were merely set back by what they described as a serious flu. That was my experience.
I know of 1 person that passed but she was in such poor health that about anything would have taken her.
Daughters best friend was hospitalized but she is in poor shape, obese, diabetic, etc and so on. She fit all the perimeters for having a rough go of it. Hubby was not infected.
Family members and so on. So yes we know folks. But even they are over this crap.

Yes we are well over this. If you are in the red zone as to physical/medical condition then stay the **** at home.