Indianapolis PD firearm seizure, no return

[printcraft]

This is an example of why I say not to put a lot of money in your everyday carry pistol.
That way when it's "confiscated" (stolen) for "evidence", the bite won't be quite as much.
Sure, the government can make a list of "legitimate" sounding excuses, but in the end, it's nothing more than de facto theft.

Say for example I possessed something that belonged to somebody else for a legitimate reason.
Then my reason isn't valid anymore.

From that moment, I have an obligation to return it to it's rightful owner.
If I refuse by claiming I'm "too busy", "have to many other things to do", "gee, I forgot", or any other excuse, it would become theft I did it, and is theft when the government does it.

Maybe it goes down to some people have standards and care, and some could give a **** less about their fellow man or doing the right thing... See the below for a first hand account of this happening posted upthread.

There is another INGOer who had his stolen firearm recovered by IMPD and he has been fighting with them for nearly a year to get it back. I have even gone down there to try and get some professional courtesy and they basically told me to pound sand. I really wish some folks would get together and sue the city over this matter because it is utterly ridiculous.

I have driven across the county to return a gun to a crash victims Home on more than one occasion just to avoid our property room boondoggle.

2 instances, both trying to do the right thing, the one that didn't work out was because someone else that doesn't care stood in the way.

 

[Dead Duck]

Sounds like their "system" needs to be completely trashed and the correct way of doing things implemented immediately. I'm sure there are plenty of departments out there demonstrating a functional procedure they could copy from. I know 3rd graders that can come up with a far better plan than what they are doing there.

Are they just playing games? Some kind of job security thing? Are they "Special" employees? Relatives of board members? Demoted meter maids? Taking bets of who can delay the longest? Is this where the department wreck room is located, because they can be actually working all this time?

 

[warren5421]

This makes me happy I got T-Boned in Plainfield. EM's didn't like my 1911 so one of the officers responding to accident offered to take it to the station where I could pick it up. Out of hospital next day stopped at office and gun was handed to me no problem.

 

[rhino]

True, but a reliable carry gun doesn't have to be expensive with a lot of custom modifications.

For example, I have a Sig P229 in .357 Sig as my main carry gun.
But in many cases I carry just a S&W M&P 9 mm Shield with extra mag that I paid about 1/3 the money for.

I use Underwood ammo in it and it's been 100% reliable without any malfunction in hundreds of rounds, and is plenty accurate enough.

If there is no difference in how you shoot with both, I'm on board.

If you shoot the Sig a lot better, then you should carry the Sig.

 

[Hop]

This thread confirms what the property room told me in this other thread: https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...ffic-accident-investigations.html#post7427253

I've been shopping around for another Shield and think I'll get the 1st gen performance center ported version this time instead of the 2.0.

Argh!

 

[BehindBlueI's]

This makes me happy I got T-Boned in Plainfield. EM's didn't like my 1911 so one of the officers responding to accident offered to take it to the station where I could pick it up. Out of hospital next day stopped at office and gun was handed to me no problem.

We're specifically prohibited from that with any property. If it can't be returned by end of shift, must go to prop room.

 

[Dead Duck]

 

[bwframe]

This thread confirms what the property room told me in this other thread: https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...ffic-accident-investigations.html#post7427253

I think you should repost your story here. The more coverage we get of this the better. Maybe get the attention of some of our fine INGO attorneys and or the NRA?

This has been a problem with IMPD for as long as I've been following, (10 years?) who knows how much longer? It often gives me pause when I consider coming to the city to shoot a match, take a class or do other business.

There is little compassion from those outside of this situation for us "gun guys who fooled around and had their firearm confiscated by police." Even those among us are subject to prejudging, thinking "what'd you do to get your guns taken?"

Few understand that this is a situation that gun carriers may have completely no control over.

what'd you do to get your guns taken?"


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[Cameramonkey]

I think you should repost your story here. The more coverage we get of this the better. Maybe get the attention of some of our fine INGO attorneys and or the NRA?

This has been a problem with IMPD for as long as I've been following, (10 years?) who knows how much longer? It often gives me pause when I consider coming to the city to shoot a match, take a class or do other business.

There is little compassion from those outside of this situation for us "gun guys who fooled around and had their firearm confiscated by police." Even those among us are subject to prejudging, thinking "what'd you do to get your guns taken?"

Few understand that this is a situation that gun carriers may have completely no control over.

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"I got T boned by a drunk driver and The EMTs wouldnt let me keep it, you condescending jack***!"

 

[Vigilant]

I think you should repost your story here. The more coverage we get of this the better. Maybe get the attention of some of our fine INGO attorneys and or the NRA?

This has been a problem with IMPD for as long as I've been following, (10 years?) who knows how much longer? It often gives me pause when I consider coming to the city to shoot a match, take a class or do other business.

There is little compassion from those outside of this situation for us "gun guys who fooled around and had their firearm confiscated by police." Even those among us are subject to prejudging, thinking "what'd you do to get your guns taken?"

Few understand that this is a situation that gun carriers may have completely no control over.

what'd you do to get your guns taken?"


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Well, for ****s sake, drive up, get into a PI accident, and be the test case? Yes, IMPD plays the slow drag crip walk with the return of firearms. No one so far has the ****ing pockets to bring it to the attention of anyone who gives a ****. You’ve heard from several IMPD street guys what the process “should” be, and to a one, they agree it sucks. None of them make policy, or work where they can do something about it. Hop up and sue on behalf of someone else, if they don’t have your gun? Rest assured though, in Monroe county, I’d wager the process is the same, or worse?

 

[actaeon277]

This is not just an IMPD problem.
You should hear some of the horror stories from the coasts.

 

[bwframe]

This thread confirms what the property room told me in this other thread: https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...ffic-accident-investigations.html#post7427253

I think you should repost your story here. The more coverage we get of this the better. Maybe get the attention of some of our fine INGO attorneys and or the NRA?

This has been a problem with IMPD for as long as I've been following, (10 years?) who knows how much longer? It often gives me pause when I consider coming to the city to shoot a match, take a class or do other business.

There is little compassion from those outside of this situation for us "gun guys who fooled around and had their firearm confiscated by police." Even those among us are subject to prejudging, thinking "what'd you do to get your guns taken?"

Few understand that this is a situation that gun carriers may have completely no control over.

what'd you do to get your guns taken?"


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Well, for ****s sake, drive up, get into a PI accident, and be the test case? Yes, IMPD plays the slow drag crip walk with the return of firearms. No one so far has the ****ing pockets to bring it to the attention of anyone who gives a ****. You’ve heard from several IMPD street guys what the process “should” be, and to a one, they agree it sucks. None of them make policy, or work where they can do something about it. Hop up and sue on behalf of someone else, if they don’t have your gun? Rest assured though, in Monroe county, I’d wager the process is the same, or worse?

WOW. Rough day?

 

[Tactically Fat]

Are the non-LEO City of Indianapolis employees members of any kind of union?

 

[BigMoose]

Are the non-LEO City of Indianapolis employees members of any kind of union?

It goes department by department. Some are, some are not.

 

[bwframe]

 

[thunderchicken]

It goes department by department. Some are, some are not.

I don't think the property room employees are

 

[bwframe]

Is the public service union a big issue in Indy as it is in some other large cities?

 

[VUPDblue]

Nope

 

[Tactically Fat]

Note: I wasn't asking my question to start any kind of union vs. non-union debate. I was just asking the question to potentially add another piece of information to the puzzle. Or not. Turns out not.

Carry on.

 

[Pancake]

I'm not a fan of how long it takes to get guns back to people when they are lawfully allowed to own/possess it. If the gun is involved as evidence in your case, not knowing details, it will be held until the case is resolved.