Misunderstanding the Conservatism of Trump's Base

[IndyDave1776]

But isn't that just another form of "the lesser of 2 evils"?

I wouldn't be happy to learn that it was true, but I am getting that exasperated. That said, I would put buying support from his own funds on an entirely different plane than using the promise of our funds. Of course, the entire idea could be a product as fictional as Tina Fey managing to get people to believe that Palin said tons of truly stupid things that Fey, not Palin, actually said.

All things considered, I would put my money on a smear attempt before supposing it actually happened.

 

[BugI02]

If Trump is a D/shill for Hitlery, shouldn't he be going after Bernie soon? Doesn't do much good to prepare the way if she doesn't even get the nomination (use purple as you see fit)

 

[BugI02]

Maybe he wants Palin to come to his next wedding?

 

[IndyDave1776]

If Trump is a D/shill for Hitlery, shouldn't he be going after Bernie soon? Doesn't do much good to prepare the way if she doesn't even get the nomination (use purple as you see fit)

I was in line waiting to pay for my groceries last night and noticed on the front of the Enquirer something about the real reason Trump hates Obama and the Clintons. I am waiting to see if something amusing happens since, on one hand, I was neither going to waste the money nor take the drain to my IQ from reading it, yet at the same time, unfortunately, most 'respectable' media outlets have reached roughly the same level of credibility, so maybe there is something to it. Some times trying to sort some things out of a dark room full of shadows (like the steady streams of disinformation in circulation) is just a little more than one can reasonably accomplish.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

If Trump is a D/shill for Hitlery, shouldn't he be going after Bernie soon? Doesn't do much good to prepare the way if she doesn't even get the nomination (use purple as you see fit)

No worries. Biden is running now. Hillary and Sanders have no chance... and Biden will likely take it all in a landslide.

Biden: We don't need 'socialism' | TheHill

 

[jmpupillo]

If we think that Obama is a tyrant, we are really in for it if Trump wins the White House. He is really taking the 'conservative' base for a wild, brain-melting, ride.

That guy is a proven tyrant in the boardroom, and I suspect nothing would change if he were president.

 

[IndyDave1776]

If we think that Obama is a tyrant, we are really in for it if Trump wins the White House. He is really taking the 'conservative' base for a wild, brain-melting, ride.

That guy is a proven tyrant in the boardroom, and I suspect nothing would change if he were president.

He is definitely in the habit of being a one-man band. That said, it is worse to have someone like that than someone who is the public face of an invisible tyrant or tyrants as we would have with most any establishment candidate?

 

[BugI02]

I was in line waiting to pay for my groceries last night and noticed on the front of the Enquirer something about the real reason Trump hates Obama and the Clintons. I am waiting to see if something amusing happens since, on one hand, I was neither going to waste the money nor take the drain to my IQ from reading it, yet at the same time, unfortunately, most 'respectable' media outlets have reached roughly the same level of credibility, so maybe there is something to it. Some times trying to sort some things out of a dark room full of shadows (like the steady streams of disinformation in circulation) is just a little more than one can reasonably accomplish.

Remember where the Men In Black went for the real scoop lol

 

[MDave]

Think only leftists hate football? I'm slowly drifting away from it after being a fan for the last 40+ years. Between the showboating after virtually every play, political correctness, BLM, political favoritism (keeping Rush Limbaugh from buying into a team) and ridiculous salaries, it is only a matter of time before I stop watching entirely. I've already long since turned off basketball and their recent anti-gun promos have only sealed that decision.

+1 here. I love Football. I have found I have a more enjoyable experience going to a Highschool game now or checking out small college ball. They still play the game.

 

[MDave]

If we think that Obama is a tyrant, we are really in for it if Trump wins the White House. He is really taking the 'conservative' base for a wild, brain-melting, ride.

That guy is a proven tyrant in the boardroom, and I suspect nothing would change if he were president.

I wonder is we wouldn't see some version of Ronald Reagan calling on the American Public to put pressure on their law makers.

There is a perfect storm of effective government brewing. If a Republican can get elected President this cycle their should be a Majority in both houses to support them. IF that Republican President goes to Republican Congress and asks for stuff it is very reasonable to expect he will get most of it. Anti-Establishment or not. If on the other hand he does not get action then I expect the following four years to see a lot activity in Primary season. The people are fed up with this goat rodeo and are willing to take a few chances to see what can be done.

Speaking of that

Here is something I think MUST be done.

TERM LIMITS
SEVERE LIMITS and PENALTIES for improper lobbying

 

[miguel]

Simply seeing who is against Trump may be enough of a reason to vote for him for many.

The Specter of Donald Trump Is Haunting Davos - Bloomberg Business

 

[IndyDave1776]

Simply seeing who is against Trump may be enough of a reason to vote for him for many.

The Specter of Donald Trump Is Haunting Davos - Bloomberg Business

Not only whose against him (and coincidentally against most of us) but also those still insisting he can't do it are eerily reminiscent of those who dismissed Reagan in 1980.

 

[T.Lex]

Not only whose against him (and coincidentally against most of us) but also those still insisting he can't do it are eerily reminiscent of those who dismissed Reagan in 1980.

And those who dismissed Perot.

Oh.

Wait.

 

[jamil]

Simply seeing who is against Trump may be enough of a reason to vote for him for many.

The Specter of Donald Trump Is Haunting Davos - Bloomberg Business

I could make the argument against. Simply seeing those who are FOR Trump may be enough reason to vote against him. I've read some stuff that some establishment/chamber of commerce types are reading the tea leafs and seeing this as a two-man race between Trump and Cruz. Many of them are supporting Trump.

 

[IndyDave1776]

And those who dismissed Perot.

Oh.

Wait.

Yes, Perot who never really got traction in the polls--well, enough to be noticed but never anywhere near the front.

 

[IndyDave1776]

I could make the argument against. Simply seeing those who are FOR Trump may be enough reason to vote against him. I've read some stuff that some establishment/chamber of commerce types are reading the tea leafs and seeing this as a two-man race between Trump and Cruz. Many of them are supporting Trump.

My take on that is that they are going to shove an establishment man down our throats given the chance because they can control him. Barring that, they would be likely to accept Trump on the grounds that his personal agenda is likely to overlap theirs--incidentally one of the reasons I am inclined to consider Trump a viable choice, even if different specifics are involved in my case contrasted with the Chamber of Commerce folks.

 

[jamil]

My take on that is that they are going to shove an establishment man down our throats given the chance because they can control him. Barring that, they would be likely to accept Trump on the grounds that his personal agenda is likely to overlap theirs--incidentally one of the reasons I am inclined to consider Trump a viable choice, even if different specifics are involved in my case contrasted with the Chamber of Commerce folks.

I interpreted it as that they think Trump will be more sympathetic to "business" status quo that they're willing to overlook the prospects of a Trump nomination that don't appeal to them.

 

[T.Lex]

Yes, Perot who never really got traction in the polls--well, enough to be noticed but never anywhere near the front.

But, he didn't really have to, right? I mean, what percentage did he get? IIRC, it was something like Clinton 45, Bush 35, Perot 20. Assuming Perot's voters were more Republican-leaning, at the least the race would have been closer (particularly in big states), and arguably his race paved the way for Clinton.

The only difference between the Perot and Trump narratives is that Trump is more popular. Given social media/reality TV/cult of celebrity that is more established now, it is not surprising. Another thing that won't be surprising is that Trump will divide the electorate and pave the way for a Clinton presidency.

 

[IndyDave1776]

But, he didn't really have to, right? I mean, what percentage did he get? IIRC, it was something like Clinton 45, Bush 35, Perot 20. Assuming Perot's voters were more Republican-leaning, at the least the race would have been closer (particularly in big states), and arguably his race paved the way for Clinton.

The only difference between the Perot and Trump narratives is that Trump is more popular. Given social media/reality TV/cult of celebrity that is more established now, it is not surprising. Another thing that won't be surprising is that Trump will divide the electorate and pave the way for a Clinton presidency.

It was 44/38/18 if I remember correctly. Perot was running independent where running in a primary does not fracture a ticket, and, once again, Perot was never anywhere near Trump's present spot of being the Republican frontrunner.

 

[T.Lex]

It was 44/38/18 if I remember correctly. Perot was running independent where running in a primary does not fracture a ticket, and, once again, Perot was never anywhere near Trump's present spot of being the Republican frontrunner.

Ok, so the margin was more like 6% and Perot took 18%. I believe it.

Indeed, Trump is running in a primary unlike Perot. (Perot was/is arguably smarter.) But, do you not believe Trump is fracturing the Republican party? (Different conversation whether it has been a long time coming, or the root causes.)

I haven't heard him recently, but at one point he said he would run independently - that he is in it to win it. I think he did backtrack (if only we could "read his lips") to say he will only run as a Republican. But, he's said alot of things over the years that he didn't do. So, if he runs as 3rd party, what then?

Even if he runs as a Republican, do you really think he can beat an organized Hilary?