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EPA Releases Tons Of Pollution Into Colorado River
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Alpo, I think the issue people are complaining most about is that, it's "**** happens" when the EPA does it, and it's huge fines and lost licenses when a business does it. The EPA is supposed to protect our environment from the poopy Capitalists. Who the hell will protect us from the EPA?
That makes it NOT "**** happens". If capitalists ****ing up our environment is important enough that we create a whole regulation scheme to prevent it, then there should be consequences when the preventers **** it up. I don't know what the consequences should be. Can't fine them. It's not MY fault they ****ed up. I shouldn't have to pay for it. Probably at least some high level people should lose their cushy jobs.
That makes it NOT "**** happens". If capitalists ****ing up our environment is important enough that we create a whole regulation scheme to prevent it, then there should be consequences when the preventers **** it up. I don't know what the consequences should be. Can't fine them. It's not MY fault they ****ed up. I shouldn't have to pay for it. Probably at least some high level people should lose their cushy jobs.
I looked over the Freedom Elk River spill information that I could find. It didn't appear that the EPA was in the center of this disaster. There were state and federal authorities involved, but the EPA? They found no issues in the prior 5 years at the Elk River storage facility.
I hate to say it, but this stuff is like the Black Life Matters hue and cry. Yes 30 or so unarmed black men have been killed, some of which were inexcusable homicides on any reasonable basis. But there are a million cops out there and some very high number of DAILY arrests occur without incident. Cops are getting bad guys out of the population. So, I'm not going to attack the "government", this time represented by law enforcement, because there are problems. I want the LEO's to fix the problem.
We have millions of tons of hazardous chemicals manufactured and shipped all over this nation daily. Most of the safety procedures work most of the time. And those procedures get better and better each decade.
So, I'm not gonna jump on a bunch of contractors for the EPA or the State or even a gold-mining company making a mistake. Especially since it doesn't appear to be an event that will create mass casualties.
Yah, that might not be a popular view here, but popularity among a very vocal group of conservatives isn't a life goal of mine.
I hate to say it, but this stuff is like the Black Life Matters hue and cry. Yes 30 or so unarmed black men have been killed, some of which were inexcusable homicides on any reasonable basis. But there are a million cops out there and some very high number of DAILY arrests occur without incident. Cops are getting bad guys out of the population. So, I'm not going to attack the "government", this time represented by law enforcement, because there are problems. I want the LEO's to fix the problem.
We have millions of tons of hazardous chemicals manufactured and shipped all over this nation daily. Most of the safety procedures work most of the time. And those procedures get better and better each decade.
So, I'm not gonna jump on a bunch of contractors for the EPA or the State or even a gold-mining company making a mistake. Especially since it doesn't appear to be an event that will create mass casualties.
Yah, that might not be a popular view here, but popularity among a very vocal group of conservatives isn't a life goal of mine.
indiucky
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Darn vocal conservatives...Why don't they just keep their mouths shut???
indiucky
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I am proud of you Jamil....That may not be a popular view here but popularity among a very vocal group of Liberals is a lofty goal...(You know...Trying to find things we can agree on..) They push the Green agenda every chance they get and it is nice to see someone on the Conservative side take the side of the Mother Earth when it's so (obviously) called for...God Bless you...The fish and the salamanders can't speak so thank you for speaking for them.....
I am sorry I smashed your guitar that time...I get it now....
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I look forward to shaking your hand one day brother....
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I would suspect that if this had been a "disaster", a bunch of EPA heads would have rolled. That might satisfy the bloodlust of some. Perhaps not.
What the EPA has done post-breech has been better than prior years. Admission that they made a mistake, lots of testing, public disclosure and, as things stand now, no continuing crisis.
And, at the end of day, we still have 100's of mines that have been abandoned and need remedial action. Should we wait for a republican congress to get things done the proper conservative way?
Oh....wait......
What the EPA has done post-breech has been better than prior years. Admission that they made a mistake, lots of testing, public disclosure and, as things stand now, no continuing crisis.
And, at the end of day, we still have 100's of mines that have been abandoned and need remedial action. Should we wait for a republican congress to get things done the proper conservative way?
Oh....wait......
No continuing crisis? The effluent from the mine is still flowing into the river. All they did was put in a settling pond in the hopes that some of the heavier particulate matter in the would get left behind. In the meantime all the millions of gallons they released are headed downstream. Ranchers and farmers and the Navajo nation are being affected by it and the EPA has said it may well be a decade before the waterways are clean again. Yeah, no continuing crisis.
Did the EPA do it on purpose?
Yes, that letter to the editor about the EPA was published « » Local News
many people say the mine did not have to be cleaned, that it was under control; but the EPA rushed in
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Awww crap... I'm about to agree with mrj... (gasp)
mrj, you must remember, it's ONLY ranchers , farmers and Navajos... right? (note my sarcasm).
Alpo - you need to eat your own dog food, sir.
If it's a crisis when industry does it, it's a crisis when the EPA does it. Heads should roll in both cases, at least somewhat even handedly.
And if I lived downstream (see the aforementioned farmers, ranchers, Navajo Nation et al)., I would for damn sure consider it a crisis.
#NavajoLivesMatter (not to put too fine a point on it...
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mrj, you must remember, it's ONLY ranchers , farmers and Navajos... right? (note my sarcasm).
Alpo - you need to eat your own dog food, sir.
If it's a crisis when industry does it, it's a crisis when the EPA does it. Heads should roll in both cases, at least somewhat even handedly.
And if I lived downstream (see the aforementioned farmers, ranchers, Navajo Nation et al)., I would for damn sure consider it a crisis.
#NavajoLivesMatter (not to put too fine a point on it...
)
At long last, reason pokes through.
No one is saying free reign to pollute should be how it's done.
However, I would just point out that this particular mine was said in the news reports to have been closed over a century ago, long before there even was such a thing as an EPA or much (if any) in the way of regulations.
If those news reports about when it closed are accurate, it's mighty tough to pin this on a rogue mine flouting environmental regulations.
The EPA has said they are responsible. There will be reimbursement. Fortunately, for them, they have taken samples from the water downstream of the spills so they can establish a baseline of contamination related to the spill and determine when the rivers return to pre-spill levels.
Apparently, this mine was discharging 500 gpm prior to the breech, so in the interest of arriving at a factual basis, it looks like the EPA was attempting to stem that discharge rate.
Does anyone know what color arsenic and lead are when in a suspension?
Apparently, this mine was discharging 500 gpm prior to the breech, so in the interest of arriving at a factual basis, it looks like the EPA was attempting to stem that discharge rate.
Does anyone know what color arsenic and lead are when in a suspension?
Yes, this mine was closed. My understanding is that another mine in the same area was operating until recently. That mine was closed and sealed, causing water to migrate through fissures into other mines, thereby raising their water levels and causing them to begin to discharge effluents where they had been in a relatively "dormant" state in the past.
From the article...below the headline.
As to the Navajo Nation, they've had continuing high pollution from coal fired energy plants on their land. Particular problems are noted with mercury. There was a multi-billion dollar settlement with Anadarko re; abandoned uranium mines.
