Planned Parenthood 2.0

[ArcadiaGP]

Let's ignore that Sanger was a racist and eugenicist that hoped to curb non-white breeding...

The PP videos are all about the patriarchy and white supremacy, everyone.

https://twitter.com/sallykohn/status/623867867558088705

No surprise patriarchy and white supremacy resort to edited videos re #PlannedParenthood, #SandraBland — facts alone not on their side

 

[MisterChester]

Money is fungible. Are you telling me they shut the lights off in the clinic when someone walks in for an abortion, then flip a disconnect wired to a separate meter?

No because that is incredibly impractical, and to install the means of doing that would cost even more government money.

 

[spencer rifle]

No because that is incredibly impractical, and to install the means of doing that would cost even more government money.

Impractical or not, you take the King's shilling, you do the King's bidding. If PP is that committed to "women's health," they should do what it takes, and with no gov money, just like the Crisis Pregnancy Centers.

 

[Woobie]

No because that is incredibly impractical, and to install the means of doing that would cost even more government money.

Exactly. E.G., the federal government funds abortions by giving tax payer money to PP.

 

[jamil]

Exactly. E.G., the federal government funds abortions by giving tax payer money to PP.

Oh come on. I'm sure the accountants use a different ledger for that.

 

[17 squirrel]

Impractical or not, you take the King's shilling, you do the King's bidding. If PP is that committed to "women's health," they should do what it takes, and with no gov money, just like the Crisis Pregnancy Centers.

That's not a fair comparison at all. PP does Health Services.
Crisis Pregnancy Centers does nothing but help with pregnancy, a women can't go to Crisis and get a pap and a mammogram..
Huge difference between the two..

 

[jamil]

That's not a fair comparison at all. PP does Health Services.
Crisis Pregnancy Centers does nothing but help with pregnancy, a women can't go to Crisis and get a pap and a mammogram..
Huge difference between the two..

Are there no health services organizations that manage to operate without government funds?

 

[17 squirrel]

Let's ignore that Sanger was a racist and eugenicist that hoped to curb non-white breeding...

The PP videos are all about the patriarchy and white supremacy, everyone.

https://twitter.com/sallykohn/status/623867867558088705

You are so misguided..

 

[Woobie]

You are so misguided..

Sanger's philosophies aren't really a secret. We can all stick our heads in the sand and claim it's all about helping women. But the founder's aims were towards racial minorities, not women, and they weren't exactly benevolent. It's a much more elegant approach to eradicating a race than rounding up everyone onto train cars and gassing them. The fact that there are a lot more collateral casualties is an acceptable cost of doing business.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

You are so misguided..

Have you seen anything Sanger has said, ever? You do know who she was, right?

 

[17 squirrel]

OH ... Lookie here in the NY Times.

MY, OH MY the famed video is supposed to be two hours long..
Not 13 min long.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/07/2...ion-against-planned-parenthood.html?referrer=

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

OH ... Lookie here in the NY Times.

MY, OH MY the famed video is supposed to be two hours long..
Not 13 min long.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/07/2...ion-against-planned-parenthood.html?referrer=

So we're clear here...all that talk about various ways of killing the baby to acquire the specimens--the less crunchy ways of obtaining the hearts, lungs, brain tissue, what have you, moves you not?

 

[HoughMade]

OH ... Lookie here in the NY Times.

MY, OH MY the famed video is supposed to be two hours long..
Not 13 min long.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/07/2...ion-against-planned-parenthood.html?referrer=

So what's next? The claim that they edited out the part where the doc yells: "PSYCH!!! I was just screwin' with you."

 

[ArcadiaGP]

You are so misguided..

Have you seen anything Sanger has said, ever? You do know who she was, right?

Re quoting since it was bottom of the page, and I'm just full of Sanger content I'd love to share. How am I misguided?

 

[17 squirrel]

Have you seen anything Sanger has said, ever? You do know who she was, right?

Yes I know who she is, I believe I was given a quality education.
And I know I'm old but I vaguely remember that she was against abortions. But apparently there was a need for it, otherwise most likely it never would have happened. Image a safe place for a woman to have her legal reproductive needs met, way back when it was certainly unpopular.
She believed what alot of people of that time period in America and quite a few other country's believed back then. Eugenics tended to fall out of favor after WW 2. But certainly lots of people long before Hitler and after had beliefs that certain eugenics could be beneficial to society. Its what alot of scienctist believed then.
Now let's look at some notable other well known members of the world and see if there personal beliefs are bashed on a daily basis.


At its peak of popularity, eugenics was supported by a wide variety of prominent people, including Winston Churchill, Margaret Sanger, Marie Stopes, H. G. Wells, Norman Haire, Havelock Ellis, Theodore Roosevelt, Herbert Hoover, George Bernard Shaw, John Maynard Keynes, John Harvey Kellogg, Robert Andrews Millikan, Linus Pauling Sidney Webb, and W. E. B. Du Bois.

Hummmmm, you just don't hear Post Cereals tossing it out there that good old Mr Kellogg believed in eugenics now do we ?
So think about that next time you pour bowl of Corn Flakes.

Winston Churchill, I'm agast.. The fat man all gun folks love. That wonderful picture of Winston holding the Tommy Gun.. We all know of that picture.
You just don't hear about good old gun shooting Winstons personal beliefs out there. Yep he believed in eugenics also.

Me Roosevelt just say its not so...

And the so called gay Mr Hoover, maybe he believed in eugenics so he could cure the world of homosexuals ????? We will never know,,

And to be truthfull, I could care less what someone's personal beliefs are.
.

Maybe we all should just look at Margaret's positive points, she put in place a organization that is the 7th largest Charity in the USA. And helps a huge amount of women, children and men on a daily basis.

On a ending note,
It's what someone does with their life is more important to me than their personal beliefs.




Oh yea, I still hate these threads. Later.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Oh yea, I still hate these threads. Later.

As with any discussion on this topic... when one is challenged... this is the typical result.

 

[Woobie]

Yes I know who she is, I believe I was given a quality education.
And I know I'm old but I vaguely remember that she was against abortions. But apparently there was a need for it, otherwise most likely it never would have happened. Image a safe place for a woman to have her legal reproductive needs met, way back when it was certainly unpopular.
She believed what alot of people of that time period in America and quite a few other country's believed back then. Eugenics tended to fall out of favor after WW 2. But certainly lots of people long before Hitler and after had beliefs that certain eugenics could be beneficial to society. Its what alot of scienctist believed then.
Now let's look at some notable other well known members of the world and see if there personal beliefs are bashed on a daily basis.


At its peak of popularity, eugenics was supported by a wide variety of prominent people, including Winston Churchill, Margaret Sanger, Marie Stopes, H. G. Wells, Norman Haire, Havelock Ellis, Theodore Roosevelt, Herbert Hoover, George Bernard Shaw, John Maynard Keynes, John Harvey Kellogg, Robert Andrews Millikan, Linus Pauling Sidney Webb, and W. E. B. Du Bois.

Hummmmm, you just don't hear Post Cereals tossing it out there that good old Mr Kellogg believed in eugenics now do we ?
So think about that next time you pour bowl of Corn Flakes.

Winston Churchill, I'm agast.. The fat man all gun folks love. That wonderful picture of Winston holding the Tommy Gun.. We all know of that picture.
You just don't hear about good old gun shooting Winstons personal beliefs out there. Yep he believed in eugenics also.

Me Roosevelt just say its not so...

And the so called gay Mr Hoover, maybe he believed in eugenics so he could cure the world of homosexuals ????? We will never know,,

And to be truthfull, I could care less what someone's personal beliefs are.
.

Maybe we all should just look at Margaret's positive points, she put in place a organization that is the 7th largest Charity in the USA. And helps a huge amount of women, children and men on a daily basis.

On a ending note,
It's what someone does with their life is more important to me than their personal beliefs.




Oh yea, I still hate these threads. Later.

So if enough famous people believe something, it justifies agreeing with them. Hmm. You left off some other folks of that era that believed in eugenics as well. But they were from Germany, and that argument would have been self-defeating, so they were conveniently excluded from the list. I think we can all agree, that of all the eugenics idealogues of that era, Sanger was the most effective.

 

[17 squirrel]

As with any discussion on this topic... when one is challenged... this is the typical result.

Challenged ? You gotta be kidding me, is that better or worse that a double dog Dare ???
Let's be realistic here.
No one in this world including me could say or post anything that would change the thinking of yourself or another person on the topic of abortion. Nor could you or anybody else say or post anything that would change my mind on my beliefs.
It's one of those topics that are deep and volatile within what ever side that person sits on. It's no different if you post something you believe in and I don't, I will never believe it no matter what proof you say you have or post or what your personal beliefs are that encroach on my beliefs.
Abortion / Guns / Conservation / Smoking it matters not the hot topic of the week, the end result is the same, no one changes their opinion and everyone usually walks away pissed off.
It's one of those topics that has NO starting point to have a conversation with.
None, Nada, the choice side ain't gonna flex just like the lifers ain't gonna flex.
.
There you answer to the double dog Dare. Squirrel

 

[ArcadiaGP]

No one in this world including me could say or post anything that would change the thinking of yourself or another person on the topic of abortion. Nor could you or anybody else say or post anything that would change my mind on my beliefs.

I agree with you here. These threads will change no minds.

When presented with science, or the history of Sanger... people's minds tend to go unchanged, and lean away from the conversation.

I don't want to change your mind on abortion / guns / etc... But I do try to question why people omit certain details of the things they believe in. I'm not going to pretend that Sanger's beliefs on race had nothing to do with her involvement in PP. You can do the mental gymnastics to justify it if you wish... with the "everyone else thought it" argument. That's just not for me.

I'm not pissed off. I'm just confused how some people justify thinking the way they think. Not specifically you.

Edit: I'll also say that I don't think Sanger's beliefs still reside with the organization today. I don't think PP has racially-abhorrent undertones to the extent they did in the past. I think there is a problem with the high-abortion rate in the black community today, however. But that may be geographic. My initial comment was related to the ridiculous and infantile remarks from people like Sally Kohn

 

[17 squirrel]

So if enough famous people believe something, it justifies agreeing with them. Hmm. You left off some other folks of that era that believed in eugenics as well. But they were from Germany, and that argument would have been self-defeating, so they were conveniently excluded from the list. I think we can all agree, that of all the eugenics idealogues of that era, Sanger was the most effective.

RIF,, reading is fundamental there Woobie, I most certainly mentioned Adolf and the second WW. And it fell out of favor after WW2. And unless i missed you when you tellaported yourself to my front porch and i missed you,
your not sitting here with me so you don't know what I did or did- not exclude.
But good try. But here's my facts I wikied Mrs Sanger and copyed a paragraph of names, I erased the page numbers next to each name and that's it.. Go and fact check me, double dog Dare you.

Thanks for making my point on my last post. No matter what the other side of the topic says or posts, the opposition will say its a lie or not truthfull.

And with that I am done here, Squirrel.
Nanny nanny boo- boo.