Pistol cartridge rifles no-go on public Land this year

[greg]

[FONT=&amp]It's true. Click "Equipment", then read the second question under that section. The new HPR law accidentally prohibited PCR's on public land.

www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/7389.htm

What are the rifle cartridge size requirements for Firearms Season?[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]The Department of Natural Resources has received numerous questions regarding recent legislation that legalizes certain rifles for deer hunting beginning in November of 2017. Most questions have to do with calibers and cartridges allowed under the new law.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]House Enrolled Act 1415 that was passed earlier this year by the Indiana General Assembly (state legislators) and signed by the Governor allows some additional rifle cartridges to be used on private land during the deer firearms season, but removed the ability for any rifle to be used on public land for deer hunting.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]A summary of the rifle requirements for deer hunting on private land are as follows:[/FONT]

• The rifle must have a barrel length of at least 16 inches
• The rifle cartridges must have a cartridge case length of least 1.16 inches and have a maximum case length of 3 inches
• The cartridge must fire a bullet with a diameter that is .243 inches (same as 6mm) or larger
• A hunter may not possess more than 10 such cartridges for each of these rifles while hunting deer
• These new rifle cartridges may only be used on private land
• Full metal jacketed bullets are illegal
• These new rifle cartridges may be used during the youth deer season, deer firearms season, special antlerless firearm season (where open), and deer reduction season (in deer reduction zones where local ordinances allow the use of a firearm from the start of the regular firearms season through the end of the following January)

[FONT=&amp]All the cartridges that were legal in recent years are legal now only on private land, even though the DNR has allowed them in years past on public land.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Rifle cartridges that are legal under this new law (HEA 1415) include, but are not limited to, the following:[/FONT]

• 6mm-06
• 6mm BR Remington
• 6mm PPC
• 6mm Remington
• .240 Weatherby
• .243 Winchester
• .243 Winchester Super Short Magnum
• .25 Remington
• .25-06 Remington
• .270 Winchester
• .30 Carbine
• .30 Herrett
• .30 Remington AR
• .30-06 Springfield
• .30-30 Winchester
• .30-40 Krag
• .300 AAC Blackout (.300 Whisper)
• .300 H&H Magnum
• .300 Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum
• .300 Savage
• .300 Weatherby Magnum
• .300 Winchester Magnum
• .300 Winchester Short Magnum
• .300 Remington Ultra Magnum
• .303 British
• .307 Winchester
• .308 Marlin
• .308 Winchester
• .32 Winchester SL
• .35 Remington
• .38-55 Winchester
• .40 S&W
• .444 Marlin
• .45-70 Government
• 6.5 Creedmoor
• 6.8 SPC
• 7.62x39mm
• 7.62x54mmR
  
  And the NEW IC code....
  
  [FONT=&amp]IC 14-22-2-8Deer hunting; permitted firearms; required report
  [/FONT]
  [FONT=&amp] Sec. 8. (a) This section applies to a hunting season beginning after June 30, 2016, and ending before January 1, 2020.
  [/FONT]
  [FONT=&amp] (b) A hunter may use a rifle during the firearms season to hunt deer subject to the following:[/FONT]
  [FONT=&amp](1) The use of a rifle is permitted only on privately owned land.[/FONT]
  [FONT=&amp](2) The rifle must have a barrel length of at least sixteen (16) inches.[/FONT]
  [FONT=&amp](3) The rifle must be chambered for a cartridge that fires a bullet that is two hundred forty-three thousandths (.243) of an inch in diameter or larger.[/FONT]
  [FONT=&amp](4) The rifle must fire a cartridge that has a minimum case length of one and sixteen-hundredths (1.16) inches, but is no longer than three (3) inches.[/FONT]
  [FONT=&amp](5) A hunter may not possess more than ten (10) cartridges for the rifle while hunting deer under this section.[/FONT]
  [FONT=&amp](6) The rifle must meet any other requirements established by the department.[/FONT]
  [FONT=&amp] (c) The use of a full metal jacketed bullet to hunt deer is unlawful.[/FONT]
  [FONT=&amp] (d) The department shall report on the impact of the use of rifles to hunt deer under this section to the governor and, in an electronic format under IC 5-14-6, the general assembly before February 15, 2020.[/FONT]
  [FONT=&amp] (e) This section expires June 30, 2020.[/FONT]
  [FONT=&amp]As added by P.L.110-2016, SEC.1. Amended by P.L.195-2017, SEC.7.
  
  
  And ALL Rifles have a 10 round limit now not just the HPR rounds.
  
  
  [/FONT]

 

[sgtmack]

So, how does the average hunter know which part of the DNR website is correct? This says we can use pistol caliber rifles on public land; Deer Hunting | Indiana Hunting Seasons & Regulations ? 2017 | eRegulations, but this says we can't; https://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/7389.htm. I am inclined to believe the eregulations and the published hunting and trapping guide over a question and answer section, but how do we know which is going to get us arrested?

 

[greg]

The Hunting guide has been wrong before....The IC code is what LEO's go by!



[FONT=&amp]IC 14-22-2-8Deer hunting; permitted firearms; required report
[/FONT][FONT=&amp]
Sec. 8. (a) This section applies to a hunting season beginning after June 30, 2016, and ending before January 1, 2020.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp] (b) A hunter may use a rifle during the firearms season to hunt deer subject to the following:[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp](1) The use of a rifle is permitted only on privately owned land.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp](2) The rifle must have a barrel length of at least sixteen (16) inches.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp](3) The rifle must be chambered for a cartridge that fires a bullet that is two hundred forty-three thousandths (.243) of an inch in diameter or larger.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp](4) The rifle must fire a cartridge that has a minimum case length of one and sixteen-hundredths (1.16) inches, but is no longer than three (3) inches.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp](5) A hunter may not possess more than ten (10) cartridges for the rifle while hunting deer under this section.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp](6) The rifle must meet any other requirements established by the department.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp] (c) The use of a full metal jacketed bullet to hunt deer is unlawful.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp] (d) The department shall report on the impact of the use of rifles to hunt deer under this section to the governor and, in an electronic format under IC 5-14-6, the general assembly before February 15, 2020.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp] (e) This section expires June 30, 2020.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]As added by P.L.110-2016, SEC.1. Amended by P.L.195-2017, SEC.7.[/FONT]

 

[phylodog]

Wow. First I'd heard of these changes which is surprising.

 

[lonehoosier]

Dupe

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...cartridges-not-allowed-state-public-deer.html

 

[dnurk]

There was discussion on this in another thread. The printed guide (and the online version) very clearly states pistol caliber rifles are still valid on public land. Here is that thread that includes a screenshot of the relevant section. https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...cartridges-not-allowed-state-public-deer.html

I would personally continue to hunt with a PCR on public land but would just have a printed copy of the regulations with me. I cannot imagine a CO trying to push something that may or may not be interpreted one way from Indiana Code when the guide that they publish for public consumption and usage is extremely clear.

 

[King31]

I saw this last night on Facebook and did not know what to think. It clearly states that rifles allowed on public ground in the years past would now be illegal. The hunting guide does not have this since the law was not passed before printing. Thousands of hunters will be illlegal and I'm not sure how the dnr could enforce this. My dad does not know how to computer, so when I told him this morning, it was a complete shock. Many relatives hunt with 44mag, 358 Hoosier, etc that would now be illegal. Can't wait until the DNR releases an official statement, which according to Facebook will happen this week.

 

[greg]

Dupe

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...cartridges-not-allowed-state-public-deer.html

Don't drink the cool-aid.....The IC code is Law Binding!

[FONT=&quot]IC 14-22-2-8Deer hunting; permitted firearms; required report

[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] Sec. 8. (a) This section applies to a hunting season beginning after June 30, 2016, and ending before January 1, 2020.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] (b) A hunter may use a rifle during the firearms season to hunt deer subject to the following:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](1) The use of a rifle is permitted only on privately owned land.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](2) The rifle must have a barrel length of at least sixteen (16) inches.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](3) The rifle must be chambered for a cartridge that fires a bullet that is two hundred forty-three thousandths (.243) of an inch in diameter or larger.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](4) The rifle must fire a cartridge that has a minimum case length of one and sixteen-hundredths (1.16) inches, but is no longer than three (3) inches.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](5) A hunter may not possess more than ten (10) cartridges for the rifle while hunting deer under this section.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](6) The rifle must meet any other requirements established by the department.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] (c) The use of a full metal jacketed bullet to hunt deer is unlawful.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] (d) The department shall report on the impact of the use of rifles to hunt deer under this section to the governor and, in an electronic format under IC 5-14-6, the general assembly before February 15, 2020.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] (e) This section expires June 30, 2020.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]As added by P.L.110-2016, SEC.1. Amended by P.L.195-2017, SEC.7.[/FONT]

 

[churchmouse]

Yes this is a dupe.