We could learn something from the gay groups

[smoking357]

For my part, I have no problem sharing a firing line with a gay person. Doing so does not mean I will be sharing a bed with them.

They have as much right to self-defense as any of us and many times, a greater risk of needing and greater chance of using that right.

If their goal is personal safety that they ensure for themselves, WTH do we care with whom they choose to sleep?

If their goal is the preservation of this nation in the spirit our Founders intended, I will happily stand by their side in that effort.

"A rifle behind every blade of grass": If you want to go looking for the pink blades of grass, knock yourself out. The rest of us will be busy saving a nation.

Blessings,
Bill

Very good thoughts. This is the right answer.


Alan Gottlieb invited Pink Pistols to speak at GRPC.

Don't, however, discount the allure of bunking down with a couple of lipstick lesbians. Perhaps you spoke too hastily.

 

[Bill of Rights]

Very good thoughts. This is the right answer.


Alan Gottlieb invited Pink Pistols to speak at GRPC.

Don't, however, discount the allure of bunking down with a couple of lipstick lesbians. Perhaps you spoke too hastily.

Thank you. It might surprise you to know that while my positions are libertarian, I politic as one of those evil Republicans. We're not all the horrible monsters you make us out to be.

As for the lipstick lesbians, I have no problem with the idea, however I am a happily married man and cannot see that they would have much interest in or desire for me even if I was not.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[dross]

My issue with gay people stems from my prediliction to constantly wonder what other people do when they're naked with their loved ones.

I'm pretty sure I'm not gay, though, because I fear naked men. Some things wash off, but I'm pretty sure that man-naked doesn't.

 

[smoking357]

Thank you. It might surprise you to know that while my positions are libertarian, I politic as one of those evil Republicans. We're not all the horrible monsters you make us out to be.
Bill

Well, of course, they're not all evil. I am/was a Republican for many years. I worked for them, voted for them, advocated their candidates, only to have it stuffed up my petoot, year after year. The budgets got bigger, my freedoms got smaller, nothing I wanted got pressed in Congress, they advocated the nuttiest crud, they are really and truly horribly elitist, and, perhaps worst of all, whenever they got elected, the people who worked for them say they're utter, um, spines on a cactus.

The last straw came when I saw how the GOP turned its back on Ron Paul in 2008. This was a guy who stood for everything I was always told the GOP advocated. When it came time to pony up and actually stand behind all the stuff they told me, for years, they ran from him and attacked the man.

The GOP needs a good Jesse Ventura body slam. When they pick themselves up off the mat, maybe they can get their head out of their rump. Until then, all this bluster about Obama is a lie they can use to get back into power, at which point, they'll act just like 1994, all over again.

You can have 'em. I've already seen this movie.

 

[360]

Thank you. It might surprise you to know that while my positions are libertarian, I politic as one of those evil Republicans. We're not all the horrible monsters you make us out to be.

As for the lipstick lesbians, I have no problem with the idea, however I am a happily married man and cannot see that they would have much interest in or desire for me even if I was not.

Blessings,
Bill

I might say that married men have a better chance of scoring casual sex than single people do, because the women know the men have to leave and go back home afterwards.

 

[Bill of Rights]

I might say that married men have a better chance of scoring casual sex than single people do, because the women know the men have to leave and go back home afterwards.

Perhaps, but they will not find a willing partner here. I took my vows before God... and I continue to take them very seriously. Others may treat theirs in cavalier fashion. I do not. That whole thing about "forsaking all others"? I meant it.

 

[Bill of Rights]

I don't like what the RNC does either, which is why I use them for what they can do for me and my country and my own positions are not theirs. I want government smaller, which is why I'm currently in the running for state delegate... I want to help choose the candidates who run... I want to pick the people whose beliefs are like my own.

The GOP and the Dems focus on winning. Other parties focus on their hotbutton issues. Trouble is, if you don't win, your issues don't get heard. The big parties tend toward the moderate, compromising issues for the win, and both sides do it. The GOP is no longer Conservative. The Dems claim to push for "gun control", but it doesn't get heard or pass. (at least not when the people still have a say as to whether or not they win again)

So I'll let them use their party machine to get me into office, and I will act as libertarian (with small L intentionally) principles tell me I should.

Well, of course, they're not all evil. I am/was a Republican for many years. I worked for them, voted for them, advocated their candidates, only to have it stuffed up my petoot, year after year. The budgets got bigger, my freedoms got smaller, nothing I wanted got pressed in Congress, they advocated the nuttiest crud, they are really and truly horribly elitist, and, perhaps worst of all, whenever they got elected, the people who worked for them say they're utter, um, spines on a cactus.

The last straw came when I saw how the GOP turned its back on Ron Paul in 2008. This was a guy who stood for everything I was always told the GOP advocated. When it came time to pony up and actually stand behind all the stuff they told me, for years, they ran from him and attacked the man.

The GOP needs a good Jesse Ventura body slam. When they pick themselves up off the mat, maybe they can get their head out of their rump. Until then, all this bluster about Obama is a lie they can use to get back into power, at which point, they'll act just like 1994, all over again.

You can have 'em. I've already seen this movie.

 

[Hornett]

I am going to make one more try here.

I don't disagree with techres or Bill of Rights.
I don't disagree with people on this thread that say we need to get out more.

What I am trying to say is that I don't see the 2A movement ever having more than a token amount of support from any media outlet. It just ain't gonna happen. We cannot do what the gay rights movement does. We will be crucified in the press.

It's like the guy down in Louisville that shot two invaders and killed them. Totally justified shooting. At least one of the assailants was armed. Scroll down the page at the Frontsite webpage and watch this news report. The media interviewed the guys aunt? who said there was no way that her nice nephew who was just a great guy could do such a thing.
Gun Training Report #35 Follow-up to Interview With a Gunfighter

Don't make this into a hate or not hate gays. To me it's about a media that will do anything to keep citizens from owning guns.

 

[Archaic_Entity]

I am going to make one more try here.

I don't disagree with techres or Bill of Rights.
I don't disagree with people on this thread that say we need to get out more.

What I am trying to say is that I don't see the 2A movement ever having more than a token amount of support from any media outlet. It just ain't gonna happen. We cannot do what the gay rights movement does. We will be crucified in the press.

It's like the guy down in Louisville that shot two invaders and killed them. Totally justified shooting. At least one of the assailants was armed. Scroll down the page at the Frontsite webpage and watch this news report. The media interviewed the guys aunt? who said there was no way that her nice nephew who was just a great guy could do such a thing.
Gun Training Report #35 Follow-up to Interview With a Gunfighter

Don't make this into a hate or not hate gays. To me it's about a media that will do anything to keep citizens from owning guns.

I wouldn't construe your post as hateful, it was just an observation on our parts to the more open slanders of the gay community here.

Now, I can't speak for anyone else on the matter, but the point I was trying to make isn't that we should have a "Gun Pride Parade" and go marching down Washington DC streets in spandex and carrying our rifles in front of our waists making phallic gestures with them. My point was that they are very open about their lifestyle and are prideful about it.

A lot of gun owners are 'ashamed' of the fact they carry and don't let others know that they do. They carry and don't involve themselves in the politics of everything, carry concealed without a word to anyone but their spouses (maybe). It's like being 'in the closet' about carrying.

That's no way to get gun rights out there. The way to do it, from the example of the gay community, is to be proud about it. To 'wear it proud, and loud.' Be vocal about the rights, and start letting people know we mean business. Is the media with us now? No. Because we're unpopular. The gay community wasn't always this popular. They garnered support because of their vocalism. Black people had the same thing, and so did women. Originally the government was against either group, and so were white people (in the case of black people). But because of their vocal uprising, they got things done. There's a reason MLK Jr. is an American figure, and it's not because he was just a Dr.

I think that's the point trying to be made. If we don't let people know that we exist, we're not going away, and ... hey, we're not all that bad anyway; then people who are 'in the closet' might 'come out' and we might just starting getting support of the swinger politicians. They operate out of fear both ways. They try to make us afraid, but they also will be afraid of losing their jobs if they realize that they're going against popular opinion.

Just be a gun owner, and wear it on your shoulder... holster.

 

[Hornett]

Now, I can't speak for anyone else on the matter, but the point I was trying to make isn't that we should have a "Gun Pride Parade" and go marching down Washington DC streets in spandex and carrying our rifles in front of our waists making phallic gestures with them.

That's exactly what I mean.
Thanks!

I have been understanding more and more the necessity of open carry since joining this forum. I mostly CC for self defense, but I see the advantages of OC for educating the public.

 

[MichaelZWilliamson]

Open and polite is good. There was movement in CA to not have any evul rifles, even if legal, because it would annoy the people who had banned the evul rifles.

My suggestion was that timidity was not going to win, merely be a poor holding action.

I'm glad to see CA has stepped up with OLLs, various workarounds, and lots of EBRs anyway.

I think it would be very advantageous to have a treaty with gays--we support state reciprocity on gay marriage, they support state reciprocity on CCW.

And don't give me that "destroys the institution of marriage" crap. Nowhere do they insist I have to divorce my wife and marry a man. Nowhere do I insist they have to carry a gun.

It's just a case of supporting each others' rights, which gives more voting power. Win/win.

 

[trnsplntfrmohio]

I don't think anyone has claimed that a gay person "went off on its own" and injured/killed someone.
What about those that go out and infect others with AIDS/HIV on purpose?
I don't think there are such things as "gay free zones"
For being from the most "redneck" state in the midwest, I'm really surprised I haven't seen any no gay's signs anywhere, for a while local biz. were putting them up on their eataries in ohio where I'm from that were next to the gay bars, so homosexualls wouldn't come in at 4 am and disturb the old people
I don't believe there are signs or policies in businesses saying "unless you are a gay LEO, you cannot be gay in this business".
See above
I think its pretty much apples and oranges.

But it would be cool if people were as tolerant of us law abiding, sheepdogs, as they are of gays and lesbians.
I'm all for gay marriage as long as both chicks are hot
AJB

Look bro I'm not calling you out or anything, but yes gays go through the same harassment as we do, at least we don't have to deal with the physical abuse of being dragged behind some rednecks pick up truck.

 

[kludge]

@ the OP... this only works of the media is on your side.

What we need to do is do what the communists/socialist have been doing... infiltrate all parts of society that deal with media/education/law-judicial/legislation with people that are like thinking and don't care about any particular time table and spend the money it takes to get them there and keep them there.

Then we have to accept the notion that no person in any position is a sacred... if they are found doing things that are distasteful in the public eye, then we have to withdraw our support abandon them, at least as far as the public view is concerned, and put someone else in their place just like them but who doesn't have a record of of doing things the public would have a problem with.

 

[ArmedProgrammer]

May I also suggest that we could learn a bit from the Apple (Computer) crowd as well. And in no way am I casting any aspersions on the masculinity of the Mac crowd .... Follow me here:

For EVER Apple have fed the schools with cheap/borderline free computers. I'm a dedicated business guy and write software on a corporate level. NOT a mac guy. But I respect what they've done. By seeding the younger generation over the long haul, there's now GENERATIONS that will not go to a PC.

For that reason - efforts like Appleseed, the Boy Scouts, and anything else that gives kids a good experience with weaponry + teaching them correctly about the Constitution, etc. is a GREAT long term investment in our freedom. And if you don't have any kids of your own, please make a difference via Big Brothers/Big Sisters or SOMETHING of that ilk.
The long term effects are HUGE.

Tying this back to the OP... A former business partner of mine is queer as a three dollar bill... his term for it as well as mine. While I totally disagree with his lifestyle choices and probably could not be more different from the guy in that respect, I cannot deny him his rights as a human being. I met with him at his home in the brightest rainbow-flagged district of San Francisco. I walked tall through the streets there without fear. Why? Because I know who I am, and I know what I believe in and that's all that matters. Because I have gotten to know this guy, EVEN THOUGH I MAY BE POLAR OPPOSITE to his opinions and lifestyle - I can't deny him his freedom to do as he pleases. Even when I might find some of those things pretty off-putting (to be kind).

My point is - that yes we need to expose others to what we believe and see as right. And of course we can learn something from the gay community. Mostly about not isolating ourselves or being bashful about how we feel. Not abrasive or "in your face". But we ought not deny who we our or how we feel. That's the only way that we can overcome the "guns are evil" thinking that has been fed into our society for a few generations now. And yes, we need to teach the rising generation(s).

And we will - one person, one child at a time. Guns may or may not be their cup of tea - but they won't be able to deny that a) we were a reasonable human being b) our guns and love of them are not inherently evil - as the media portray c) if the media are not right about that, then what else might they be wrong about? d) maybe the stuff that Dad/Uncle Clint/Scoutmaster Bob/whoever you are said about the right to bear arms isn't so bad....

 

[5.56'aholic]

Wanna bet? Come to my house.

ROFL!