Uvalde Texas Killing

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This is what’s is supposed to look like or at least a decent example of what you can teach some privates to do in a day or two.

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[Keith_Indy]

I’ll bite, they had multiple people and didn’t do a stack at all. They failed basic room clearing. Stack up, if the first guy goes down the ones behind kill the bad guy. This is **** that pv1’s learn in basic it’s not complicated or complex

Except you are wrong about that, with in the first 4 minutes they stacked and attempted a breach. That failed.

 

[Keith_Indy]

report report...

who give a crap what was written by those that failed their duty as human beings to protect the helpless.

like reading Himler on why there wasnt a Holocost

Report wasn't written by the people involved.

And you know what, it was informative reading about the roots of the Holocaust in college.

If we don't learn from history we are doomed to repeat it.

 

[Floki]

Report wasn't written by the people involved.

And you know what, it was informative reading about the roots of the Holocaust in college.

If we don't learn from history we are doomed to repeat it.

whatever, the video doesnt lie, reports are subjective

 

[Keith_Indy]

whatever, the video doesnt lie, reports are subjective

Video doesn't show the entire scene either. That hallway fisheye lens video had to be digitally manipulated in order to be as "clear" as it was. We've only seen bits and pieces of body cameras or any other viewpoint.

So, maybe if we had every single piece of video/audio evidence, we'd get a more complete picture, but even that will miss things, because not everything was in view of a camera.

Have we seen even one video of students being evacuated, because the report says that was happening, but I don't recall seeing students being pulled out of windows.

 

[rooster]

Except you are wrong about that, with in the first 4 minutes they stacked and attempted a breach. That failed.

This is not a stack. One guy opposite wall two stacked leaned against the wall( your supposed to leave space) one guy on his knees trying to peak in and another opposite the “stack”.

This isn’t a stack this is some **** that pv1’s do if you tell them to show you how a room should be cleared with no previous instruction

 

[Keith_Indy]

This is not a stack. One guy opposite wall two stacked leaned against the wall( your supposed to leave space) one guy on his knees trying to peak in and another opposite the “stack”.

This isn’t a stack this is some **** that pv1’s do if you tell them to show you how a room should be cleared with no previous instruction

You can tell exactly what is occurring down the hall, in front of that door way? Even when it's not entirely in view... and the far South end isn't in view at all?

Page 51/52 of report

Simultaneously, Lt. Martinez followed by SSgt. Canales entered the hallway and approached Romms 111 and 112, with Lt. Martines approaching along the east wall and SSgt. Canales following along the west wall, as recorded on SSgt. Canales's body camera and the school surveillance video. Immediately behind them, four additional officers entered the building and remained in the north hallway.

Approximately 11:32 am, the officers converged from both sides of the hallway on Rooms 111 and 112. Coming from the norht, Lt. Martines peered into the vestibule for Rooms 111 and 112, and he faced gunfire, getting grazed by fragments of building material on the top of his head. He immediately retreated to the north end of the hallway. On the opposite side of the hall, fragments also hit SSgt. Canales on his ear. He likewise retreated and exited the building on the west side. No shots were fired at that time toward the attacker by the law enforcement responders.

Call it whatever you F'in want to, they were setting up to do something. They didn't follow through, they didn't regroup.

Then just below that Chief Arredondo's thinking at the time.

Page 52/53

Although the encounter had begun as an "active shooter" scenario, Chief Arredondo testified that he immediately began to think of the attacker as being "cornered" and the situation as being one of a "barricaded subject" where his priority was to protect people in the other classrooms from being victimized by the attacker.

With the benefit of hindsight, we now know this was a terrible, tragic mistake.

Testifying before the Committee, Chief Arredondo explained his thinking on this subject at the time as follows:

"We have this guy cornered. We have a group of officers on... the north side, a group of officers on the south side, and we have children now that we know in these other rooms. My thought was: We're a barrier; get these kids out -- not the hallway, because the bullets are flying through the walls, but get them out the wall -- out the windows, because I know, on the outside, it's brick."

 

[rooster]

Body cam footage released

https://static.fox7austin.com/segme...jbGlwIiwiYyI6WyJuZXdzIl0sImQiOiJ3ZWIifX19fX0=

 

[Floki]

none of your arguments mean a thing, dozens of armed protected crew cuts vs. one shooter. pile up in hallway, classroom left with shooter, period.

 

[ditcherman]

This is what’s is supposed to look like or at least a decent example of what you can teach some privates to do in a day or two.

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Just want to jump in here, in the interest of keeping your arguments valid, to mention cops aren’t military, no matter how much they may or may not want to be.

 

[rooster]

Body cam officer Coronado


Officer canales


Officer medoza



Officer hill

Officer Jesus Mendoza

Officer Javier Martinez
https://youtu.be/PRE1YJQFoa8

Officer Zamora
https://youtu.be/sVLYfCnFFWg

 

[Floki]

too bad this guy wasnt there...

 

[rooster]

At about 1:15 into canales body can you can see the “stack” take fire. Tell me do they looked stacked or even half assed trained?

 

[Keith_Indy]

At about 1:15 into canales body can you can see the “stack” take fire. Tell me do they looked stacked or even half assed trained?

Here they are upon approaching the doorway.


So, after that frame, what did these officers do? Because it's not captured on that video.

Less than a minute after this, they take fire through the door and wall.

There is no capture of the action on that video, all I see is an AR15, and the officer checking the safety (from my P.O.V.)

Note, they say the kids are not in there. Shortly after saying, what are we doing here...

 

[Floki]

there was a portion where one grabbed some hand sanitizer on the wall, dont think it will wash the blood off their hands

 

[rooster]

Just want to jump in here, in the interest of keeping your arguments valid, to mention cops aren’t military, no matter how much they may or may not want to be.

Exactly they aren’t the military, they are used to 99.9% of bad guys giving up and dropping guns when they yell “police”.

I remember one of the instructors I had during a cqb block of training said that the first guy in the stack would take rounds if we were going in against a half competent opposition. That’s what the next guy is for. You step over your friends body and make entry. You push the man in front of you forward into that room.

 

[rooster]

Took 20 minutes to actually start clearing classes. They knew right where he was in the classroom and had a window to look in.

Border patrol took lead on classroom clearing with what looks like only a subcompact Glock. Uvalde cops all need new jobs.

 

[jamil]

report report...

who give a crap what was written by those that failed their duty as human beings to protect the helpless.

like reading Himler on why there wasnt a Holocost

The report wasn’t written by the people who did not do their jobs. It was written by people who investigated what happened, and what decisions were made.

 

[Floki]

The report wasn’t written by the people who did not do their jobs. It was written by people who investigated what happened, and what decisions were made.

That are in damage control, trying to control the narrative

 

[jamil]

That are in damage control, trying to control the narrative

I watched the presentation before the Texas Senate where the lead investigator informed the Senate of his findings. THAT was NOT damage control. He was pissed. And as he expressed the facts they found in their investigation, it was clear he did not think highly of how they performed.

But absent from the report itself are the emotions that naturally attach when people see others make bad decisions and innocents die at least in part because of those bad decisions.