TSA molests 3-year-old boy in a cast & wheelchair [video]

[Bill of Rights]

I'm going to disagree with this statement, but for the simple fact that people have a qualified right to travel. I state qualified, simply because of those measures in place to assure a reasonable measure of safety.

If a person doesn't have the ability to exercise the right to freely travel, utilizing whatever technology available, then what kind of liberty do we truly enjoy? While the Framers of the Constitution couldn't have foreseen planes, trains, and automobiles, certainly they wouldn't discounted one particular means as a mere privilege.

You DO have a right to travel. If you own the car, bicycle, plane, etc., you may use it to travel as you see fit. If you own the roads, you can do so without fear of police in re: speed limits as well (think in terms of a large ranch, on which you can travel from your barn to your house to the East Barn or the South Guest House, etc.)

Put in other terms, I saw this video a few days ago:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTcNcA_zViw[/ame]
I want one. I could use this or a modified version of it to travel to and from work, never have to worry about street signs, speed limits, traffic, etc., and never once have to deal with TSA from the time I go into my back yard to take off until I land at work and go inside. No flight plans, no security screenings, etc. The catch is that you have to own the aircraft to take advantage of that; You as a passenger have no right to be on the plane owned by American Airlines. You may purchase passage on that plane, but they do not HAVE to sell it to you, nor is that an irrevocable contract.
I could technically fly my little H4 with an AK slung across my chest and a pistol on my hip, no issues. (not sure if this would apply if I crossed state lines.)

Your point is valid; I don't dispute it in re: the right to travel. The method/mode of travel is the only issue here.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[XDdreams]

Disgusting, but the boy in the wheel chair is obviously a terrorist, it must be done. They are getting pretty damn extreme these days. Has anyone seen them on a highway in their area ? Why on gods green earth are we letting non sworn/ bonded "agents" do this to us ?

 

[JettaKnight]

Disgusting, but the boy in the wheel chair is obviously a terrorist, it must be done. They are getting pretty damn extreme these days. Has anyone seen them on a highway in their area ? Why on gods green earth are we letting non sworn/ bonded "agents" do this to us ?

I dunno, if I was trying to get contraband on board then I'd think of hiding it on 3 year old in a wheelchair. Then I would have to do is guilt or shame the agent into letting the child (and contraband) pass through security. I think I'd even videotape it, that would make it all the easier to get through.

 

[ATOMonkey]

I dunno, if I was trying to get contraband on board then I'd think of hiding it on 3 year old in a wheelchair. Then I would have to do is guilt or shame the agent into letting the child (and contraband) pass through security. I think I'd even videotape it, that would make it all the easier to get through.

So, what are you going to do with your contraband after you get it on board?

 

[mydoghasfleas]

You DO have a right to travel. If you own the car, bicycle, plane, etc., you may use it to travel as you see fit. If you own the roads, you can do so without fear of police in re: speed limits as well (think in terms of a large ranch, on which you can travel from your barn to your house to the East Barn or the South Guest House, etc.)

Put in other terms, I saw this video a few days ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTcNcA_zViw
I want one. I could use this or a modified version of it to travel to and from work, never have to worry about street signs, speed limits, traffic, etc., and never once have to deal with TSA from the time I go into my back yard to take off until I land at work and go inside. No flight plans, no security screenings, etc. The catch is that you have to own the aircraft to take advantage of that; You as a passenger have no right to be on the plane owned by American Airlines. You may purchase passage on that plane, but they do not HAVE to sell it to you, nor is that an irrevocable contract.
I could technically fly my little H4 with an AK slung across my chest and a pistol on my hip, no issues. (not sure if this would apply if I crossed state lines.)

Your point is valid; I don't dispute it in re: the right to travel. The method/mode of travel is the only issue here.

Blessings,
Bill

I must say this is absolutely wrong. The TSA is a federal agency and has absolutly no power to infringe on travel.
The airline company can make you say the alphabet backwards while hopping on one foot if they like, and you would have to do it to get onboard the plane. But not the federal gov.

 

[JettaKnight]

So, what are you going to do with your contraband after you get it on board?

For me, I'd just like to get a Coke - so I guess I'd drink it!

 

[JettaKnight]

I must say this is absolutely wrong. The TSA is a federal agency and has absolutly no power to infringe on travel.
The airline company can make you say the alphabet backwards while hopping on one foot if they like, and you would have to do it to get onboard the plane. But not the federal gov.

The federal gov't has authority in every other mode of interstate travel (e.g. NHTSA), so why not flight?


(did I just get tricked in another anti-fed "discussion"? )

 

[IndyDave1776]

The federal gov't has authority in every other mode of interstate travel (e.g. NHTSA), so why not flight?


(did I just get tricked in another anti-fed "discussion"? )

I think you succeeded at dragging yourself right in! Regulating interstate commerce is not a ne plus ultra trump card which nullifies constitutional rights (although the federal government is in the habit of lawlessly acting as if it is). If you are willing to check your rights at the door as you walk out of your house, you might as well go ahead and start voting socialist. It will make the trip to totalitarian government faster and less frustrating.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Flying isn't a right. Get over it or stop flying. I'm not a big fan of TSA or what they do, but everyone talking like it's a God given right to fly...

Playing Devil's advocate, but what if a person does hide an explosive device on their child? What if they came out and said that no one old, young or disabled would be searched. A smart criminal would utilize that.

When dealing with this previously, I neglected to address the fact that there are noninvasive methods of detecting explosive devices. the cops simply need to start using their dogs and the same superpowers they use to determine which cars on the highway need searched. Should also work well for drugs and dirty undershorts.

 

[IndyDave1776]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-t7UtcNjV4

Meanwhile people can walk straight through their full body scanners with weapons unmolested.

The TSA is a gaggle of incompetent clowns...

I am not convinced that they are incompetent. It may well be that their purpose is to condition the majority of travelers who are upstanding citizens to submit to gross infringements on their rights while not giving a damn about criminal/terrorist activity.

 

[mydoghasfleas]

The federal gov't has authority in every other mode of interstate travel (e.g. NHTSA), so why not flight?


(did I just get tricked in another anti-fed "discussion"? )

They really had no authority to build it and they knew it. Eisenhower was forced to do it under the guise of it being for the millitary to use to quickly transport accross the country. (one could make the argument against a standing army here as well)

Now (like everything else they do) it has expanded into holding state highway funds for randsom unless comliance with federal regulations (NHTSA) are met and a host of other over reaches into things like the trucking industry. It is a classic case of something sounding like a good idea but when the feds implement it, they hold it over the heads of the people and the states and continue the slow grinding wrachet effect of control.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyJWVw6xqY0[/ame]

 

[edporch]

Israel stops terrorists from getting on airliners without engaging in this perversion, which PROVES it's unnecessary.

The TSA system is just a reflection of the mentality of the perverts at the top of the chain of command.

 

[ATOMonkey]

For me, I'd just like to get a Coke - so I guess I'd drink it!

And then use the sharp metal can as a weapon to hijack the plane?

 

[JettaKnight]

Israel stops terrorists from getting on airliners without engaging in this perversion, which PROVES it's unnecessary.

The TSA system is just a reflection of the mentality of the perverts at the top of the chain of command.

Agreed that the Israeli system is better. I recall that they use a combination of profiling and facial recognition and generally have trained guards working. They tend to look for those passengers with nefarious motives rather than look for the objects of doom. You can change how you bring down a plane, but the thing that is always the same is the persons who try to bring down the plane.

Of course, anytime someone says "profiling" in the USA the libs start screaming. Say what you will about being racist but you can't say it doesn't work.

 

[MilitaryArms]

Agreed that the Israeli system is better. I recall that they use a combination of profiling and facial recognition and generally have trained guards working. They tend to look for those passengers with nefarious motives rather than look for the objects of doom. You can change how you bring down a plane, but the thing that is always the same is the persons who try to bring down the plane.

Of course, anytime someone says "profiling" in the USA the libs start screaming. Say what you will about being racist but you can't say it doesn't work.

The Israelis have combat soldiers doing security in their airports. To be assigned to airport duty you must have a minimum of 3 years of combat experience. You go through a 4 month training program. If you screw up in front of them, they can deal with you directly. They are trained to ask certain questions and to look for various involuntary responses to those questions. They also do profiling.

TSA has no requirements for military or LEO experience. They get about 48 hours of instruction. They have no powers of arrest and can only attempt to detain you until police arrive to actually do something.

The TSA is a very bad joke and we're not secure at all because of it. They put on a show, that's all. They give the impression of high security for the people that don't look past the brightly colored uniforms and high speed equipment (which is mostly useless).

 

[JettaKnight]

Now (like everything else they do) it has expanded into holding state highway funds for random unless compliance with federal regulations (NHTSA) are met and a host of other over reaches into things like the trucking industry. It is a classic case of something sounding like a good idea but when the feds implement it, they hold it over the heads of the people and the states and continue the slow grinding ratchet effect of control.

Personally, I like knowing that the stop lights in every state will look the same. I like having cars in the USA be legal in all states. I like knowing that the rules for flight (actually flying for pilots, not TSA BS) is the same in Arizona as Alabama.

Example: PRNDL - it the same on every automatic car, that's because it's a NHTSA requirement. But, there's no specific requirement for one location for the gear shift lever. That's why I always turn the windshield wipers in my wife's car instead of putting it in reverse.

Feel free to call me a Fascist, you know you want to.

 

[edporch]

Quote:
Originally Posted by edporch
Israel stops terrorists from getting on airliners without engaging in this perversion, which PROVES it's unnecessary.

The TSA system is just a reflection of the mentality of the perverts at the top of the chain of command.

Agreed that the Israeli system is better. I recall that they use a combination of profiling and facial recognition and generally have trained guards working. They tend to look for those passengers with nefarious motives rather than look for the objects of doom. You can change how you bring down a plane, but the thing that is always the same is the persons who try to bring down the plane.

Of course, anytime someone says "profiling" in the USA the libs start screaming. Say what you will about being racist but you can't say it doesn't work.

Funny how the powers that be have no problem with being accused of sexual perversion, but cringe at the thought that somebody MIGHT accuse them of profiling.
Remind me again who's in charge of this department?

 

[SSGSAD]

F*** flying while this is going on. If I can't drive, I won't go.

AMEN, I don't, fly very much anyway, but I will DRIVE, everywhere I go .....

 

[rambone]

Israel stops terrorists from getting on airliners without engaging in this perversion, which PROVES it's unnecessary.

The TSA system is just a reflection of the mentality of the perverts at the top of the chain of command.

Agreed that the Israeli system is better. I recall that they use a combination of profiling and facial recognition and generally have trained guards working. They tend to look for those passengers with nefarious motives rather than look for the objects of doom. You can change how you bring down a plane, but the thing that is always the same is the persons who try to bring down the plane.

Of course, anytime someone says "profiling" in the USA the libs start screaming. Say what you will about being racist but you can't say it doesn't work.

The Israelis have combat soldiers doing security in their airports. To be assigned to airport duty you must have a minimum of 3 years of combat experience. You go through a 4 month training program. If you screw up in front of them, they can deal with you directly. They are trained to ask certain questions and to look for various involuntary responses to those questions. They also do profiling.

Soldiers policing civilians doesn't sound appealing in the least. Israel's methods work fine in a highly collectivized state that has no constitution and a supreme central government. Their methods don't fit with our constitution and don't make for a free society.

What America should focus on is getting government out of airline security. Abolish the TSA and return the responsibility to whom it belongs, the property owners.

 

[mydoghasfleas]

Personally, I like knowing that the stop lights in every state will look the same. I like having cars in the USA be legal in all states. I like knowing that the rules for flight (actually flying for pilots, not TSA BS) is the same in Arizona as Alabama.

Example: PRNDL - it the same on every automatic car, that's because it's a NHTSA requirement. But, there's no specific requirement for one location for the gear shift lever. That's why I always turn the windshield wipers in my wife's car instead of putting it in reverse.

Feel free to call me a Fascist, you know you want to.

Thats pretty funny, no I'm not calling you a fascist. But, here is a point of view I will ask you to consider...
I understand that it is comforting having everything being the same everywhere, but surely you understand how this prevents growth, and innovation. It prevents car manufacturers from coming up with ergonomics or devices that may help stop chronic turn-signal-throwers such as yourself from committing these horrifying acts. Or it may be preventing a new type of traffic light from being developed that may save lives and/or money. The list can go on and on (did you know even the buttons on remote controls and now the volume of commercials on tv will be regulated (CALM act)) What terrible things we must endure until we get the knights from the fed to ride in and save us.


Living in a homogenized world is no way to advance society. And its definitely no way for new creations to come about, and could you imagine what it would have held back on the internet? And please dont get me started on what it does to the individual and liberty.