The USA has the best healthcare system in the world & I am going to change that!

[turnandshoot4]

Has anyone been to an Emergency Room lately? Most ER's are overwhelmed with patients, a good majority of them have no health insurance or are on welfare. They use the ER as their normal, everyday doctor office visit. Since they do not have to pay out of pocket, they can go anywhere they want. The ER CANNOT turn anyone away, regardless if they have health insurance or not. Waiting time in the ER's have skyrocketed, 3-4 hours are more are pretty normal waiting times now.

Now, imagine that everyone without health insurance is now given "free" coverage by the govt.... Waiting times will again climb. The hospitals aren't going to make more money if this "plan" happens, so they will be unable to hire more nurses and doctors to cover the increase in patients.

So, we'll then have overworked nurses and doctors... soon our smartest and brightest will turn away from a career in the medical field, opting to choose another less stressful and better paying field.

My wife is an ER nurse, along with the wife of a good friend of mine. We hear these stories on a daily basis.

Great post. So how do we fix this? TURN THEM AWAY FOR A RUNNY NOSE. If they are under the new "gov't" plan they now have insurance. And we SHOULD be able to turn them away.

On a side note because of this thread I scheduled a clinical day at a WIC. I learned a whole lot.

1. They have to take classes if they want WIC. Each class is directly related to the age of the baby.

2. They can get prenatal care. Weather this is Folic Acid (VERY IMPORTANT) or even instruction on how to breathe.

3. Yes the mother does get food, but only if she is breastfeeding. WIC is not there to feed the mother or anyone else. Just the children. The people who work there will ask open ended questions to get real answers out of them. The mothers usually don't know or don't want to screw the system so they will answer honestly weather or not they are breastfeeding. A few were suprised to hear they would lose their 4 gallons of milk, 1 pound of cheese, 2 dozen eggs, etc. since they aren't breastfeeding anymore. When asked why the worker said they weren't there to feed her. Just the children.

4. They push breastfeeding! Thank goodness someone is.

5. They are understaffed. Just like any government program. Well, except the upper levels.

6. They are overworked.

7. They are sick of the abuse as well! Legally they can't turn someone away when they feel they are lying but they do give them a piece of their mind. I heard stories of an Escalade pulling in and being "eligable" for WIC. They can't help it if someone is lying. They hate it as well.

8. I'd say 80% of the families that I saw today were loving comitted parents that just didn't make enough money. Or the husband lost his job. They just want what's best for their kids.

This was my experience, take it for what it's worth. Thanks

 

[turnandshoot4]

So, are you saying 'the plan' is flawed because "they" will use the ER more because 'the plan' doesn't have a penalty fee?

I thought you were saying "they" use the ER because they don't have insurance and the ER MUST see them.

No matter what "they" will use the ER because you can't get blood from a rock. They have no money, the hospital can't turn them away, so they abuse the goodwill of the hospital.

If the new "plan" is flawed because of then our current healthcare system is totally screwed. Furthermore, why have a new plan for something if you aren't going to fix the old problems? Hospitals are already strapped and have to charge huge amounts because of uninsured patients. Hopefully if everyone is insured, they'd get paid.

 

[JNT0421]

No matter what "they" will use the ER because you can't get blood from a rock. They have no money, the hospital can't turn them away, so they abuse the goodwill of the hospital.

If the new "plan" is flawed because of then our current healthcare system is totally screwed. Furthermore, why have a new plan for something if you aren't going to fix the old problems? Hospitals are already strapped and have to charge huge amounts because of uninsured patients. Hopefully if everyone is insured, they'd get paid.

Agree, the healthcare system is flawed, prior to any changes Obama makes. But I hear all about the people on welfare, coming into the ER with more gold around their necks then most people have in their homes. They are the problem, IMO. Our ER's should be able to turn people away for things that aren't emergencies and instruct these people to go to their doctors office. But, they can't do that.

I don't pretend to know how to fix this whole mess, but I do think the welfare programs would be a great place to start. Those programs are overly abused by people that are able to work, they just don't have the willingness to do it. Now, I know that most people on welfare NEED IT! They couldn't survive without it. But you know there are plenty of people on welfare that abuse the program. We pay for it all and in the end, we'll pay for the govt healthcare plan as well.

Just my

 

[turnandshoot4]

Who should they work for? "They" are lazy (which is why they'd rather live in squalor than get a job) and I wouldn't employ them.

So what to do with "them?"

 

[5.56'aholic]

the biggest problem with everyones' debate for socialized medicine is the fact that they believe we will have the same level of care we have now, which is blatantly false. Standard of care will drop and people will be forced to accept mediocrity as the new "best in the world" care.

 

[antsi]

Why do you think that is? Could it be the crack-addicted women on welfare, still having babies??

And of course in the Socialist Paradise of Cuba, there is no substance abuse among mothers.

 

[turnandshoot4]

the biggest problem with everyones' debate for socialized medicine is the fact that they believe we will have the same level of care we have now, which is blatantly false. Standard of care will drop and people will be forced to accept mediocrity as the new "best in the world" care.

Ok. Why? You can't get into an ER now. So which is more important to you, getting into the ER, or getting that carpal tunnel surgery?

Socialist or not, Cuba is doing something right that we aren't. BTW, aren't they Communist? I lose that in the details sometimes.

 

[VN Vet]

Did you all hear on Fox today that this BS Heath Care Bill is larger than the Bill that set up our Interstate Highway System?

This is a National Shame! And I am not LOL!

 

[turnandshoot4]

Did you know that 60% of bankruptcies are to clear medical debt?

 

[agentl074]

Have you never seen Idiocracy? The UN UnNazi'd the world...

...Uh ya... why come no tattoo? Great movie Health care insurance issues are going to be debated for quite some time. Unfortunately, our government cannot support any major programs... let alone what we already owe. Printing money doesn't mean you have money.

 

[hotfarmboy1]

Yea, I seen it at McDonalds today whilst feeding the kids. I think I freaked some obamanites out when I flipped off the TV and said "Talk all you want, we don't want Canadian Healthcare you IDIOT!"

Some guy behind me was rollin, but a bunch of other people were giving me dirty looks. Of course it could have been the gun on my hip too. Either way... Damn zobamamites!

That's friggin great! I would of loved to of seen you do that.

 

[SavageEagle]

I told my wife, but she didn't think it was that funny. I thought it was kinda hilarious after I sat down with the kids and ate being stared at....