The Socialist Revolution Is Upon Us, Can We Stop It?

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Doubtful. Whether you want to believe it or not, the most noteworthy Communist Revolutions (Russia/China) were based in legitimate gripes and have overwhelming popular support. Those conditions do not current exist here, and it’s doubtful it will be in the foreseeable future.
Yessss. Tiananmen Square certainly showed us that popular support. So did starving the Cossacks and the Cultural Revolution

Makes the militarization of DC seem like a good start, eh? The same observation is true for all, if your government was as popular with the people as you like to pretend, you wouldn't need to use military force to protect it from those people. Don't come on here and defend the wholesale slaughter of people whose only crime was a yearning to be free

If communist countries are such paradises for the
aggrieved, I'm sure we can arrange transport for BLM
 

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It's a symptom of a legitimate problem I've tried to explain to conservatives for years now.

We've crashed the country into neigh nation killing inflation, and it isn't the fault of young people. They aren't old enough to hold office, and didn't vote many of these individuals into power.
The endless attempts to save social security, all the bailouts, all the money printing. It has stolen their future, and they didn't even get a say in the matter.

So now since their voices have been ignored, they look at the people offering a solution as opposed to the people who deny a problem even exists. Hopes and dreams don't pay a mortgage or put food on the table, neither does ideological wankery.

Like in the other thread, people simply can't comprehend that the dollar has lost the amount of value that it has.

It's time conservatives actually step up and start offering a solution to these problems.
What if those solutions don't offer free **** but instead are based on opportunity and hard work, more like WPA than free college and UBI?

I fail to see how anyone at all serious can look upon communism as a true solution to their problems. Seems more like they hope to build a better, undeserved position from the wreckage of what once was

Chavez leveraged the discontent of the poor to win election by flat out confiscating wealth and transferring it to the poor. For a while, their lot probably seemed better, but meanwhile he enacted changes to the constitution and the government that enabled him to hold onto power despite what those same people wanted and he was never again particularly concerned about their wants and needs and he and cronies formed a new cadre at the top who accumulated all the wealth and power for themselves. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss

And someday Venezuela will be yet another of a long line of examples that you can vote your way into communism but you have to shoot your way out. Or, as Maggie presciently said, 'The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money'

Whenever anyone tell's you 'It's different this time', the smart money know's that's bull****. If those in your age group think that you can just go up to the edge of socialism and somehow use the possibility of it to extort the change in conditions you think you want, it will consume you as soon as your usefulness begins to wane
 

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Yessss. Tiananmen Square certainly showed us that popular support. So did starving the Cossacks and the Cultural Revolution

Makes the militarization of DC seem like a good start, eh? The same observation is true for all, if your government was as popular with the people as you like to pretend, you wouldn't need to use military force to protect it from those people. Don't come on here and defend the wholesale slaughter of people whose only crime was a yearning to be free

If communist countries are such paradises for the
aggrieved, I'm sure we can arrange transport for BLM
I was speaking about the onset of those revolutions. The “have” should’ve been “had.”
 

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I see several reasons for the difference:
1)The communists hadn't infiltrated the NEA and indoctrinated ignorant, cognitively dysfunctional, useful idiots
2)Aside from the "weathermen" and the likes of angela davis, most people didn't think the solution to anything was to destroy the country. And why should they? They'd seen the civil rights movement roll back "jim crow" apartheid without initiating violence, and the ink had just dried on the civil rights act. Generally, in spite of being a turbulent, violent period, the rule of law solved problems.
3)Aside from jane fonda and bozos chanting "go uncle ho(chi min)" on campuses, most people didn't have any stupid romantic notions about communism. USSR show trials and sending political prisoners to gulags, and crushing the Czech independence movement; mao's "cultural revolution"; pol pot & crew committing genocide in Cambodia; were that day's news and anyone old enough to drive, vividly remembered the cuban missle crisis.
In the short version we agree. The protests (save for the riots in watts etc) were no where near the :bs": we are seeing today. With our elected nimrods standing down to appease or just flat out agree with them these useful idiots are imbolden to pull guns on innocents for no other reason than to impede progress/traffic. Total brown shirt crap.
 

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The Bolsheviks waited until Russia was weaked by WWI when they started their red terror campaign. The socialist here haven't got that far but are getting really close to it. I wonder if the Democrat Socialist party is pushing us toward a large scale war then while fighting it releases their minions for the red terror campaign here at home to finally push our country to an authoritarian government.
Never, ever, let a good crisis go to waste...
 

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Much of the violence of the 60s was winding down by the time we get into the 70s. The Vietnam war was a focus of a lot of the unrest and with it's end in the early 70s that cause dries up.

A big factor was the energy crunch, and the government's inability to deal with it. Socialistic regulations and bad science caused people to distrust the US government's ability and even it's motives. How many people here remember Jimmy Carter looking the nation squarely in the eye on TV and solemnly proclaiming the world would be out of oil in 2012.

The 70s were what Jimmy Carter referred to as a "malaise". The "cause" people were focused on was more economic, the survivalist movement has it's roots here, and self help authors ranged from Howard Ruff to Kurt Saxon.

Things changed though, and they got better, people had a more positive outlook in the 80s than they did in the 70s. I can only hope in my remaining years that all of this unrest burns itself out. I don't see racism, however you define it, as the endgame in all of this. I think it's more economic, driven at a wild pace by the technology of today.
 

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It is also important to consider the politics of the solutions. For decades, the supposed conservatives who were in fact globalist RINOs kept insisting on the status quo which was already broken and needed fixed, not a chorus chanting "stay the course". I would draw the obvious parallel with Wayne LaPierre's NRA.

Trump entered the picture and started applying solutions for these problems. The leftists and RINOs ganged up to see that his efforts failed, ultimately using the most massive election fraud in history to stop Trump.

Now we have had the only president in my memory to successfully address so many of our problems shut down and replaced with a senile fool backed up with a seemingly unlimited number of people deliberately self-destructing the country.

I suppose its alright. We may find ourselves without rights, without food, without shelter, but at least there won't be any more mean tweets from the bad, bad orange man.

Seriously, its tough to get solutions when the politicians on both sides of the aisle DO NOT want these problems solved.
I`m with you on everything except LaPierre.


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It is always about following the power and money but so many people that pulled the lever for Bidet believe the immigration issue is about compassion. These gullible sheep are being used for power.

"Encouraging illegal immigration on the Southern border is also a communist strategy aimed at creating “a massive voting bloc” for the Democrat Party aimed at transforming America into a one-party state, Loudon said. “The whole plan is to swamp the conservative voting base.”

"The American elites and the American globalists like the Chinese model because it brings an authoritarian state which can keep workers under control while still allowing room for rich people to make lots of money, Loudon said."

The rich elites, though pure arrogance, believe they will just miraculously be in the protected class. Useful idiots indeed....
 

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Got your finances in order? A well put description of what is to come.

Why the heck do you think a communist country loans us so much money except to leverage that to defeat us.

"Massive infrastructure spending will sink the U.S. dollar, causing an increase in interest rates and destroying U.S. business, Loudon said. “The new infrastructure will be there to absorb the workers who are displaced, so everybody will be put on a subsistence level wage, like a universal basic income … [it is] building an army of young people totally dependent on the state.”
 

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With reference to Dr. James Fallon, gene expression is in part regulated by the experiences of the organism. Concerning where we are now, conquering the voting base was accomplished through multi-generational behavior modification.

To steam upstream a bit on a related tributary, the other day I was thinking about the social engineering onslaught that I witnessed on 1960's TV. Remember "The New People" and "The Mod Squad" and the way commercials were being done and on and on and on...
I didn't have to be a "grown up" to realize what I was seeing. I didn't know the correct name for it but yeah, I knew what it was.

Oh well. I'm thankful I grew up in a world with the TV teaching everybody to ride, to shoot, to be honest, polite, brave and true. So very much better than now with evil having been normalized.
 

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It is always about following the power and money but so many people that pulled the lever for Bidet believe the immigration issue is about compassion. These gullible sheep are being used for power.

"Encouraging illegal immigration on the Southern border is also a communist strategy aimed at creating “a massive voting bloc” for the Democrat Party aimed at transforming America into a one-party state, Loudon said. “The whole plan is to swamp the conservative voting base.”

"The American elites and the American globalists like the Chinese model because it brings an authoritarian state which can keep workers under control while still allowing room for rich people to make lots of money, Loudon said."

The rich elites, though pure arrogance, believe they will just miraculously be in the protected class. Useful idiots indeed....

Why do the elite believe they will be in the power structure when freedom is eviscerated?
 

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I see the issue in this. Those protests set the tone.
Interesting question.

Thing is today we have completely different breed of protester. No comparison to the sit ins/love ins/smoke ins I saw in my time. Yes there were some extreme groups that did some damage but no where near the scale we see today.
The Left in the 60s didn't control the universities, schools and media to the degree they do now. Then they punched way above their weight class. Now they seem to have made serious incursions into the commanding heights of society.
 

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Doubtful. Whether you want to believe it or not, the most noteworthy Communist Revolutions (Russia/China) were based in legitimate gripes and have overwhelming popular support. Those conditions do not current exist here, and it’s doubtful it will be in the foreseeable future.
But remember, to those populations, such as we've seen in Portland and pretty much every liberal city in the US, it is a "legitimate" gripe, even life threatening to their media, friends and role models. While it's obviously a lie, to them all these things seem very real to them. Inside those cities those positions have overwhelming popular support. So did NAZI Germany for that matter, while their behaviour was not approved in many places within Germany. Once they have control, they oust old guard and insert their own people to keep the propaganda flowing. The forces on the left have been on this slow march for decades while everyone ignored them. They utterly dominate education, even college which unsurprisingly is mandated for even mundane jobs in the federal government, to ensure they've been properly indoctrinated. Now they have control of education, they make sure to hire and promote those who parrot their beliefs and those who dare voice a different opinion are put on leave and ultimately terminated or cowed.
 
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