This is the BIGGEST joke posted on INGO this month.The government doesn't dictate what manufactures decide to build.
This is the BIGGEST joke posted on INGO this month.The government doesn't dictate what manufactures decide to build.
They also forget that the government bailed out GM, (stands for government motors) and whatever they call that Fiat group. The government has additional leverage over them…It's the same thing. By forcing mfgrs to be held to impossible CAFE standards is de-facto coercion.
You think the auto mfgrs would be doing this if not for the (CAFE) stick the .gov is using against them?
And by Kalifornia & a half dozen states banning ICE vehicles by some arbitrary date isn't "forcing"?
Mods please move it to the "Joke of the Day" thread.This is the BIGGEST joke posted on INGO this month.
Yep. It also tells me there is a good chance the driver is a liberal moron
"Driving a Tesla does not send the message that you care about global warming or the environment. It tells people you're a special kind of wealthy and trendy, just as many luxury cars always have."
The Camaro (as we know it - it will be an EV or hybrid and will be a Camaro in name only) is gone after '24. The Dodges are going away, and the Corvette will be a hybrid then full electric, whether we like it or not. They are not being discontinued due to low demand - hell look at the prices the last Challengers and Z06's are bringing in over MSRP, they're going electric and I know many auto enthusiasts that will not buy them (corvetteforum members already mourning for the 'vette). And with the dismal sales of EV's that only spells doom for the car companies and customers.Camera, Corvette, etc
Or think they can get the cash from the government…Auto manufacturers are not going to do something unless it's in their best interest or unless they think they can profit.
I would have to do the math but they are in different vehicle segments. The cheapest Tesla is the model 3 and it's most similar to the accord which is a lot more expensive than the civic.You could drive a Honda Civic for 20 years cheaper than owning a Tesla 5 years.
You linked several posts to CA. I was under the impression that we live in Indiana. Do you go through a background check to buy ammo? Do you see that happening inevitably? You have to use the same logic across all laws if you're going to paint the California brush on all topics.For someone who has owned so many EVs and is pretty active in this thread, you seem to have missed some major news on the subject, including in the passenger car and commercial vehicle space.
If you aren't aware of the wave of government mandates for EVs, you may want to spend some time looking into it before claiming there are no mandates.
California moves to accelerate to 100% new zero-emission vehicle sales by 2035 | California Air Resources Board
SACRAMENTO – The California Air Resources Board today approved the trailblazing Advanced Clean Cars II rule that sets California on a path to rapidly growing the zero-emission car, pickup truck and SUV market and deliver cleaner air and massive reductions in climate-warming pollution.ww2.arb.ca.gov
Understanding California’s Advanced Clean Truck Regulation - RMI
What is ACT, who must comply, and what is required for compliance?rmi.org
Advanced Clean Fleets Regulation Summary | California Air Resources Board
Accelerating Zero-Emission Truck Markets The Advanced Clean Fleets (ACF) regulation is part of California Air Resources Board’s (CARB or Board) overall approach to accelerate a large-scale reduction in tailpipe emissions focusing on zero-emissions medium- and heavy-duty vehicles. This regulation...ww2.arb.ca.gov
Federal government EV mandates destined to fail: op-ed
In Canada, only 6.5 per cent of the 1.5 million new vehicles sold in 2022 were electric.www.fraserinstitute.org
EPA’s 67.5% Electric Vehicle Mandate: Too Far, Too Fast
Members of Congress are encouraged to support efforts to counter EPA’s overly aggressive EV mandates and attempts to effectively ban the sale of gas-powered cars.www.nada.org
Government subsidizes the hell out of gasoline. They also gave many billions in free money to GM & chrysler for a bailout that was never repaid.The problem, as I see it, is the government propping up EV adoption by subsidizing them with the $7500 tax credit. That just rocks the capitalist in me. It also is a tacit admission that, on their own merits and beyond the early adopters, EVs cannot compete with ICE cars. Maybe some day, but not yet. Imo.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. It doesn't make it factual.This is the BIGGEST joke posted on INGO this month.
Thanks for the non sequiter. I've purchased several cars in my lifetime, new and used, and no government has ever bribed me to do so, as it does purchasers of EVs. Oh, and I'm paying an extra 73 cents a gallon to the government for their subsidized gasoline. Could be worse: FIPs are paying 85 cents a gallon.Government subsidizes the hell out of gasoline. They also gave many billions in free money to GM & chrysler for a bailout that was never repaid.
How are EV sales if the full $7,500 subsidy is removed?You are certainly entitled to your opinion. It doesn't make it factual.
The USA is an incredibly oil rich country. What have you been reading that told you otherwise? Just an incredible statement to make. I’m all for EV’s, if the free market can sell them. Take away subsidies and credits, they all fail, except for maybe a few boutique models of higher priced cars. I wish they were practical for 90% of us, but they are not. And we have a lot, a huge amount of oil.I think the biggest point that's being overlooked is the ability to eventually get off the oil reliance on the middle east.
The USA is certainly not an oil rich country compared the the ME. We will absolutely run out of oil / gasoline if we're only using our own supply in a short period of time, therefore the middle east have us by the you know what.
Wouldn't you rather not be reliant on ANYONE for your own energy needs? I am certainly working towards moving out and away and being self reliant. I will not rely on city power, city water, city sewage, or gasoline to survive. If SHTF and everything went down gas stations wouldn't be refueled.
I have always been one that doesn't want to rely on someone else or the government to take care of me and working towards renewable energy / self reliance is always great in my opinion.
Too often I think people are quick to relate EVs to Liberals or Democrats when in reality getting off gasoline ends up cutting off a reliance with the middle east which is in our best interest.
Whether we're talking about mandates from California, or federal mandates (also contained in the links I posted) the mandates do exist. That would make you what's known as, wrong.The government doesn't dictate what manufactures decide to build.
The ammo law is an apples and oranges comparison and completely irrelevant.You linked several posts to CA. I was under the impression that we live in Indiana. Do you go through a background check to buy ammo? Do you see that happening inevitably? You have to use the same logic across all laws if you're going to paint the California brush on all topics.
Do you have a laptop? Cell phone? Cordless power tools? Do you sleep in the house with them charging overnight? Those are all lithium ion batteries with the same strengths and weaknesses.
For the record, my car is outside the garage. That is not because of any fear it will catch on fire though. It is simply because we are slobs and I can't get it into the garage with all of the stuff in there.
Whoa. I think you’re gonna feel a little flushed in the face if you ever bother to fact check that one.The government doesn't dictate what manufactures decide to build.
Yessiree. Unlike Soviet Russia, Cuba and North Korea, we should let the free market sort this out. Human ingenuity being what it is when properly motivated, I have no doubt that some day, there will be viable alternatives to dead-dino powered transportation. Maybe storage batteries, hydrogen or something else. But, even the biggest batteries-included automobile zealot must admit that in no respect is the USA ready for 100% battery-powered vehicles. Not even 50% at this point. I think that is where the pushback from many skeptics originates. They bristle at the government supporting with their tax dollars an infant industry that, let's face it, isn't ready to succeed on its own.How are EV sales if the full $7,500 subsidy is removed?
Hell, look at what Ford had to tell their suppliers about next year's Lightening production forecast...
I'm fine with EVs, just don't manipulate the market and try and shove them down the masses throats...