The Real Costs of Electric Car Ownership - CNET

[indyblue]

Lets say everything goes electric, and there is plenty of power to support it.
What happens when all these batteries fail and what will they do with them?
Can they be reconditioned/refurbished? Or tossed into a landfill?

The batteries are ground up into what’s called “black mass“ and the components separated; first plastics from metals, then ferrous metals (magnetic) from nonferrous.

This is “the easy“ part. The rest of the components of black mass has not been commercially viable to extract and figured out yet. There is no known cost effective economically viable way to get the lithium back out. It is a dirty/toxic process to do.

Following the mechanical preparation, the black mass is typically subjected to a hydrometallurgical process. This involves using a leaching process, where the black mass is dissolved in a solution, often a strong acid or base. The purpose of this step is to liberate the valuable metals from the black mass, allowing them to be recovered.

Separation and Purification​

After leaching, the solution contains a mixture of metals that must be separated. Techniques such as solvent extraction, ion exchange, or precipitation are used to separate the individual elements based on their chemical properties. Once separated, further purification processes are applied to ensure that the recovered metals meet the required quality standards for reuse.

 

[gorge]

Lets say everything goes electric, and there is plenty of power to support it.
What happens when all these batteries fail and what will they do with them?
Can they be reconditioned/refurbished? Or tossed into a landfill?

 

[JCSR]

The batteries are ground up into what’s called “black mass“ and the components separated; first plastics from metals, then ferrous metals (magnetic) from nonferrous.

This is “the easy“ part. The rest of the components of black mass has not been commercially viable to extract and figured out yet. There is no known cost effective way to get the lithium back out. It is a dirty/toxic process to do.

Just imagine the amount of energy needed to do this .

 

[Ingomike]

Just imagine the amount of energy needed to do this .

That is part of the fantasy, just like the 0 emissions BS. It is hard to believe people are that dumb. They also must believe they can pick up a turd by the clean end…

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Just imagine the amount of energy needed to do this .

We just need more solar panels!

 

[04FXSTS]

I have lived that life myself. My first car was a 1960 VW Bug. I had an ice scraper hung from the rearview just to scrap the inside of the windshield and side windows.
When I took my drivers road test in December the Officer asked if I had a heater in the car.
I told him it only works when we're moving. He said, once around the block and no stops.
I passed without ever parallel parking.

I had a 1965 VW and also kept a scraper for the inside of the windshield. One time I was working 2nd shift and took a shower before going home. Really cold out probably about 10F that night got about 10 or 12 blocks and freaked out. Thought someone tapped me on the shoulder, it was my hair that had frozen and hitting my shoulder. Jim.

 

[JCSR]

Sounds like 7.5 billion of planning..... less the 10% for the Big Guy

Not a SINGLE electric vehicle charging station has been constructed

Not a single electric vehicle charging station has been completed in the two years since the bipartisan infrastructure bill passed, after President Joe Biden urged Congress to spend $7.5 billion on it.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[actaeon277]

Government is inefficient.

No way.

 

[JCSR]

Government is inefficient.

No way.

It seems the Government and your Momma lied to you.

 

[indyblue]

I have lived that life myself. My first car was a 1960 VW Bug. I had an ice scraper hung from the rearview just to scrap the inside of the windshield and side windows.
When I took my drivers road test in December the Officer asked if I had a heater in the car.
I told him it only works when we're moving. He said, once around the block and no stops.
I passed without ever parallel parking.

My buddy had a '69 Super Beetle with the factory gasoline heater in it, windows were no problem as was heat.

 

[BigMoose]

Electric cars..

Around here... all the juice comes from burning stuff.

 

[actaeon277]

It seems the Government and your Momma lied to you.

Momma say, alligators are mad because they got all those teeth, and no way to brush them.

 

[Alamo]

Sounds like 7.5 billion of planning..... less the 10% for the Big Guy

Not a SINGLE electric vehicle charging station has been constructed

Not a single electric vehicle charging station has been completed in the two years since the bipartisan infrastructure bill passed, after President Joe Biden urged Congress to spend $7.5 billion on it.

www.dailymail.co.uk

In the mean time Elon’s Tesla has put in over 50K supercharger stations around the WORLD. But Biden won’t invite him to his EV events because he has non-union free speech cootees. Probably didn’t even cost him 7 1/2 billion.

US illustrative map:

Notice how the dots seem to line up horizontally and vertically? I wonder why…

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Sounds like 7.5 billion of planning..... less the 10% for the Big Guy

Not a SINGLE electric vehicle charging station has been constructed

Not a single electric vehicle charging station has been completed in the two years since the bipartisan infrastructure bill passed, after President Joe Biden urged Congress to spend $7.5 billion on it.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The official told Politico that the sluggish pace is to be expected, given the goal is to create a 'convenient, affordable, made-in-America equitable network.'

 

[actaeon277]

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

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No bugs?

 

[actaeon277]

No bugs?

Funny how that works, isn't it.

Wish people would point that out in hearings.

Ask him if he's sold his properties and moved into a 600 square foot house.
Donated 95 percent of his wealth to the lowest wealthy.
Drive around in a $8,000 car
Stuff like that

 

[Pepi]

The American people are losing their taste for EV cars very fast. It's gonna die

 

[gorge]

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John Kerry and Mitt Romney are the same person. Change my mind.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Notice how the dots seem to line up horizontally and vertically? I wonder why…

Do an overlay with major interstates.