The (Current year) General Political/Salma Hayek discussion Thread Part V

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    nonobaddog

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    Wow, some people in Texas are getting hit with huge electricity bills now.
    Some of the wholesale electricity providers have increased their prices from a past seasonal average of $50 per megawatt hour to over $9,000 per megawatt hour.

    Should make for a big boom in cold coffee.
     

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    This is exactly why the pipeline was needed in the first place. What kind of idiot can't see that?

    Follow up to Keystone Pipeline

    The Keystone Pipeline would be 2,147 miles long, and would supply 830,000 barrels of oil per day.

    Doing the math:

    · A tanker truck can carry 190 barrels of oil. It would take 4,368 trucks per day just to haul that amount of oil. It would take 3 days to cover the 2,147 miles. An additional 4,368 trucks would start the trip the second day, and another 4,368 trucks would start the trip on the third day. Needless to say, all these trucks will be returning empty. Therefore, it would take 26,208 trucks per day to haul what the pipeline could carry in one day. If the trucks could get 6 MPG, it would take 157,248 gallons of diesel per day to carry the oil...at $3 per gallon, just the diesel cost would be $471,744.00 per day, in addition the drivers’ salaries (about $5 million per day) and other costs.

    · If we can ship it by train (Warren Buffet,) they haul a lot more. Each train tanker holds on the average 700 barrels of oil, so it would take over 1,185 cars to haul the oil. The most tankers a train can have is 100 cars and can only run 40 MPH, so it would take a little over 10 trains to travel 900 miles a day. The end result is 2 1/2 days by train and another 24 hours to unload the train, so it would take almost 40 trains going south from Canada , fully loaded with oil, and 40 more trains running back north empty. In the meantime, you will be needing that many trains in Canada to be loading while the empty trains are headed back, so it would take 120 trains with 100 tankers each to haul the oil.

    · A tanker ship coming from the Arab countries would take 27 days and hauls 2 million barrels. Iran will love loaded oil tankers heading to the US . through the Straits of Hormuz. Can we talk about a potential environmental disaster?

    The Keystone Pipeline would be 2,147 miles long, and would supply 830,000 barrels of oil per day.

    Please tell me again, how completing the Keystone Pipeline would destroy the planet.
     

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    The Keystone cancellation makes no sense to me, there's got to be some sort of crony change in this deal where money is going to move to a connected privileged pocket. There was never enough shrill hysterical media hate on the pipeline to get it cancelled right off the way it was. Looking for something to emerge in the future.
     

    DoggyDaddy

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    The Keystone cancellation makes no sense to me, there's got to be some sort of crony change in this deal where money is going to move to a connected privileged pocket. There was never enough shrill hysterical media hate on the pipeline to get it cancelled right off the way it was. Looking for something to emerge in the future.
    It's going to give Warren Buffett's trains a lot of business.
     

    Kutnupe14

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    This is exactly why the pipeline was needed in the first place. What kind of idiot can't see that?

    Follow up to Keystone Pipeline

    The Keystone Pipeline would be 2,147 miles long, and would supply 830,000 barrels of oil per day.

    Doing the math:

    · A tanker truck can carry 190 barrels of oil. It would take 4,368 trucks per day just to haul that amount of oil. It would take 3 days to cover the 2,147 miles. An additional 4,368 trucks would start the trip the second day, and another 4,368 trucks would start the trip on the third day. Needless to say, all these trucks will be returning empty. Therefore, it would take 26,208 trucks per day to haul what the pipeline could carry in one day. If the trucks could get 6 MPG, it would take 157,248 gallons of diesel per day to carry the oil...at $3 per gallon, just the diesel cost would be $471,744.00 per day, in addition the drivers’ salaries (about $5 million per day) and other costs.

    · If we can ship it by train (Warren Buffet,) they haul a lot more. Each train tanker holds on the average 700 barrels of oil, so it would take over 1,185 cars to haul the oil. The most tankers a train can have is 100 cars and can only run 40 MPH, so it would take a little over 10 trains to travel 900 miles a day. The end result is 2 1/2 days by train and another 24 hours to unload the train, so it would take almost 40 trains going south from Canada , fully loaded with oil, and 40 more trains running back north empty. In the meantime, you will be needing that many trains in Canada to be loading while the empty trains are headed back, so it would take 120 trains with 100 tankers each to haul the oil.

    · A tanker ship coming from the Arab countries would take 27 days and hauls 2 million barrels. Iran will love loaded oil tankers heading to the US . through the Straits of Hormuz. Can we talk about a potential environmental disaster?

    The Keystone Pipeline would be 2,147 miles long, and would supply 830,000 barrels of oil per day.

    Please tell me again, how completing the Keystone Pipeline would destroy the planet.
    Not sure if you know this, but 2/3 of that Canadian oil is exported outside the United States. So, yeah risk/benefits for a nation that is already a net exporter of oil?
     

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    Not sure if you know this, but 2/3 of that Canadian oil is exported outside the United States. So, yeah risk/benefits for a nation that is already a net exporter of oil?
    Is revenue generated by that export? Could that change in a time of crisis?

    I'd say benefits outweigh the risks to the nation.
     

    jamil

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    The Keystone cancellation makes no sense to me, there's got to be some sort of crony change in this deal where money is going to move to a connected privileged pocket. There was never enough shrill hysterical media hate on the pipeline to get it cancelled right off the way it was. Looking for something to emerge in the future.
    Anything that would tend to increase the price of fossil based energy makes some people richer.
     

    nonobaddog

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    Not sure if you know this, but 2/3 of that Canadian oil is exported outside the United States. So, yeah risk/benefits for a nation that is already a net exporter of oil?
    Fact check - incomplete, misleading and wrong.

    That says Canadian oil with emphasis - the oil would also come from Montana and North Dakota

    "So, yeah risk/benefits for a nation that is already a net exporter of oil?"
    Which nation are you talking about? Are you talking about Canada exporting Canadian oil? Is there something wrong with that?
     

    Kutnupe14

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    Is revenue generated by that export? Could that change in a time of crisis?

    I'd say benefits outweigh the risks to the nation.
    I'm sure there is revenue generated, most assuredly mostly private. I would think that some portion of that is tax revenue too.
     
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