The coming war with Iran

[rooster]

This scenario assumes a first strike by Iran on a US carrier group in international waters. The cost of sinking a US aircraft carrier in international waters is likely WWIII. Or at the very least, an eventual Walmart in Tehran.

I’m in complete agreement on what the outcome would be, the only question is at what cost?

 

[JTScribe]

I’m in complete agreement on what the outcome would be, the only question is at what cost?

I'm not even in agreement on the outcome. It's very possible we could lose such a conflict due to lack of will from political leadership and lack of ability from our surface navy.

Our Navy is Broken, and That is a Bad Thing

The fleet’s problems stem from decades of flat acquisition budgets and declining ship numbers.

www.defenseone.com

 

[jwamplerusa]

And, we will soon have the hollowed out military which the Communists always leave this nation with.

 

[Thor]

I’m in complete agreement on what the outcome would be, the only question is at what cost?

It depends on if we go there to crush them into the rubble or create a kinder gentler regime change. One is victory and done the other is forever.

 

[NKBJ]

Silverstein hasn't taken out insurance on the USS Nimitz?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Silverstein hasn't taken out insurance on the USS Nimitz?

Shel? He's dead. Great songwriter though!

 

[rooster]

I'm not even in agreement on the outcome. It's very possible we could lose such a conflict due to lack of will from political leadership and lack of ability from our surface navy.

Our Navy is Broken, and That is a Bad Thing

The fleet’s problems stem from decades of flat acquisition budgets and declining ship numbers.

www.defenseone.com

I can see that. one of the reasons I got out was the lack of training new troops were getting. By the time I got out the new troops didn’t do even basic combatives, never threw a grenade, never did bayonet training, didn’t do pugil sticks. Idk even know what they do to waste 12 weeks in basic now. The new generation coming out seemed ill prepared and lacking a proper warrior mindset. Regardless of the MOS, pog or fobbit everyone should be trained with a warrior mindset. One day the battle lines may not be so clear cut as they are now.

anyway rant off.

 

[SnoopLoggyDog]

Carter got us out of the chemical/biological warfare business by treaty,
And under that treaty the US was *Supposed* to DESTROY production facilities and stockpiles.

Instead, president ELECT (not sworn) brokered a high tech weapons deal with Iran, and continued to supply Iran through it the Iran/Iraq war.

Reagan/Bush also sold weapons, along with biological/chemical weapons plants,
TURN KEY plants to Iraq that under international treaty (and a war crime) were supposed to be destroyed.

The Bio Weapons Convention was embraced by Nixon in 1972. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_Weapons_Convention

The Chem Weapons Convention was not drafted until 1992. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_Weapons_Convention

All Iraqi WMDs were based on Soviet designs and hardware, (Bomb casings, Arty rounds).

 

[DoggyDaddy]

The Bio Weapons Convention was embraced by Nixon in 1972. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_Weapons_Convention

The Chem Weapons Convention was not drafted until 1992. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_Weapons_Convention

All Iraqi WMDs were based on Soviet designs and hardware, (Bomb casings, Arty rounds).

I'm afraid you're going to have about a 30 day wait for him to respond and tell you how he knows the REAL truth.

 

[smittygj]

If it happens, I'll give you a play by play as long as i can as I am there

 

[SnoopLoggyDog]

If it happens, I'll give you a play by play as long as i can as I am there

The Navy base is really nice. Got to visit there on a weekly basis back in 2002. Was stationed out at "Shake Easy" airfield in the middle of wasteland. Worked Logistics back then.

 

[SnoopLoggyDog]

I'm afraid you're going to have about a 30 day wait for him to respond and tell you how he knows the REAL truth.

Yeah. Hate to ruin a good story with facts and data. Takes all the fun out of acting like a spastic hamster.

 

[Tombs]

It depends on if we go there to crush them into the rubble or create a kinder gentler regime change. One is victory and done the other is forever.

Remember who is in office.
A war conducted by this administration would not be a war for victory, it would be a war to line the pockets of military contractors.

When you have idiots like this running the country, always flatly say no to their agenda. So Iran sinks a boat, it costs less to build another than let these idiots play bush 2.0 and spend trillions accomplishing nothing but a massive wealth transfer. Not to mention, if the US toppled Iran's government, we'd get ISIS 2.0.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

If it happens, I'll give you a play by play as long as i can as I am there

Thank you for your service and stay safe young man!

 

[NKBJ]

smittygj,
God keep you, bless you and bring you home safe and sound.

 

[rooster]

Remember who is in office.
A war conducted by this administration would not be a war for victory, it would be a war to line the pockets of military contractors.

When you have idiots like this running the country, always flatly say no to their agenda. So Iran sinks a boat, it costs less to build another than let these idiots play bush 2.0 and spend trillions accomplishing nothing but a massive wealth transfer. Not to mention, if the US toppled Iran's government, we'd get ISIS 2.0.

So buy defense stonks? Got it

 

[phylodog]

I can see that. one of the reasons I got out was the lack of training new troops were getting. By the time I got out the new troops didn’t do even basic combatives, never threw a grenade, never did bayonet training, didn’t do pugil sticks. Idk even know what they do to waste 12 weeks in basic now. The new generation coming out seemed ill prepared and lacking a proper warrior mindset. Regardless of the MOS, pog or fobbit everyone should be trained with a warrior mindset. One day the battle lines may not be so clear cut as they are now.

anyway rant off.

It's no accident

 

[rooster]

It's no accident

I don’t doubt it and it makes me sad. These young people don’t even know the character development and kind of fun they are missing. Ya know the kind that sucks at the time but you look back and laugh about later. That’s the best kind IMO

 

[DadSmith]

Which war is Biden able to get us into and give us the ability to actually fight it. I'm glad my son's are out of the military now. Had one that endured Obama's amazing leadership.
My son was so frustrated between the social engineering of the military to having 1 mag of ammunition while on patrol he got out could not take the BS any longer. 19D 8 years.

 

[NKBJ]

Iran is still on the list.