The Chinese Are Waging War, Are We Going To Fight Back?

[BugI02]

It's pretty simple. He's saying that China "owns" many American institutions. That's not as far from reality as you make it sound. And while I would not call that "ownership", the asymmetrical relationship is destructive for the US.

Perhaps replace 'owns' with 'pwns'

 

[BugI02]

I suspect they do. Probably not as much as something like the NBA. But McD's has a lot more to lose if China told them to **** off than if McD's told China to **** off. I think we'd never really see that any manipulation by China because McD's sells hamburgers in China. McD's would not be as evident about kissing China's ass as the NBA was. We saw people making public statements and then getting shut down by the NBA because China didn't like it. How would McD's show their lips on China's ass in the same way?

But I drew a bigger distinction between merely being influential and being able to get a company or entire industry to kiss your ass. It's a little more than mere influence, but it's not control or "owning", because there is a point at which it costs more than they're getting in return. I don't really take an issue with that part though as much as that you seemed to have said it backwards.

"Using your logic, since China is the nation with the third most McD’s in the world, then they must be under our control also."

China would have influence over McD's for the same reason China has influence over the NBA, not the other way around, which seemed to be what you said. But it looked like there were perhaps iThumbs involved. I have the same problem with virtual keyboards. They suck and what I mean to type isn't always what gets output in text so if what you wrote isn't what you meant, okay.

Those other companies you mentioned, pretty much the same thing but not to the same extent. I think China has a lot of reasons not to mess with Apple, because they need Apple way more than they need the NBA, or McD's for that matter. Apple could start moving their production away from China. Not likely, but I don't think either wants to **** off the other. Bottom line, China doesn't have the same level of influence over Apple, like they do the NBA or even McD's.

As far as politicians go, there's no reason, other than personal gain, for any US politician to kiss China's ass. Hunter's business there is problematic, being the son of the VP, and now the POTUS elect. You rightly pointed that out about Trump's kids' dealings with other countries, especially Russia.

I generally approved of Trump's policies towards China, but not necessarily the way he went about it. I think it did more harm than it could have if he weren't suck a dick. Of course be diplomatic, but we don't have to be their lapdog either. I'd like to find a really good reason not to think that Biden will do anything but kiss China's ass.

An interesting test case might be to watch Chinese made cotton products, both cloth and yarn. They are using more than 500k Uyghurs as slave labor to pick cotton. That is clearly reprehensible, should especially resonate with a sizeable subset of progressives, and is the sort of thing that would normally trigger a boycott as there is no excuse for it

Has there been a boycott? Has Hollywood jumped to the defense of the powerless? If not, is it because they know who makes their exhorbitant paychecks possible? If you can keep the progressives down on the farm, do you not have de facto control of them and is that control not economic - functionally equivalent to owning them?

 

[Kutnupe14]

An interesting test case might be to watch Chinese made cotton products, both cloth and yarn. They are using more than 500k Uyghurs as slave labor to pick cotton. That is clearly reprehensible, should especially resonate with a sizeable subset of progressives, and is the sort of thing that would normally trigger a boycott as there is no excuse for it

Has there been a boycott? Has Hollywood jumped to the defense of the powerless? If not, is it because they know who makes their exhorbitant paychecks possible? If you can keep the progressives down on the farm, do you not have de facto control of them and is that control not economic - functionally equivalent to owning them?

I didn't know about it, until you just posted it. I don't think that fact is well known. Not to put words in your mouth, but are you implying that liberals support the Chinese regime?

 

[jamil]

Perhaps replace 'owns' with 'pwns'

Better.

 

[jamil]

I didn't know about it, until you just posted it. I don't think that fact is well known. Not to put words in your mouth, but are you implying that liberals support the Chinese regime?

Yeah, I think there is some evidence of that. I’d make the distinction “progressives”. The far left likes China. And their flavor of communism seems to be preferable.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Yeah, I think there is some evidence of that. I’d make the distinction “progressives”. The far left likes China. And their flavor of communism seems to be preferable.

A bipartisan group of eight lawmakers fiercely criticized the NBA in a Wednesday letter to commissioner Adam Silver, demanding the league scale back its operations in China and take a stronger stand against Chinese government pressure.
The ideologically diverse coalition of lawmakers — including Sen. Ted Crz (R-Texas) and Rep. Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) — blasted Silver for the NBA’s initial response to China after the Houston Rockets' general manager expressed support for demonstrators in Hong Kong.

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/...ba-for-outrageous-response-to-chinese-boycott

 

[foszoe]

I agree If the Russians can do it to a US President, then Senators and Reps should be a lot easier and Boards of Directors? Heck there are tons of those around to be bought!

My God guys, why is it such a stretch that an enemy that can assign a "handler" to a prominent US senator for years and has a top US rep under their thumb has their thumb on these boards of directors?

You guys sound like a bunch of rubes that cannot think. It was just posted last week that the CCP have over 2 million members in government, business, finance, media, and academia. That was a collective shrug, got a new phone?

While I am at it, when some of us that are paying attention comment about "wake up", it is not about folks that see things differently. It is about the dumb masses on their physical and technological opiates.

 

[BugI02]

I didn't know about it, until you just posted it. I don't think that fact is well known. Not to put words in your mouth, but are you implying that liberals support the Chinese regime?

I am implying that people who have demonstrated a progressive (I thought we were differentiating Liberal from Progressive to keep Alpo's BP down) bent seem to be ignoring a situation that, were it somewhere else besides their meal ticket, they would normally be going full Karen/Ken about. The situation is not a secret, see below

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/12/15/asia-pacific/uighurs-xinjiang-cotton-labor/
Over 570,000 Uighurs forced to pick cotton in Xinjiang, report says

https://www.reuters.com/article/china-cotton-forced-labour-trfn-idUSKBN28P2CM
China accused of forcing 570,000 people to pick cotton in Xinjiang

https://www.neweurope.eu/article/uyghur-exploitation-in-china-slammed-as-modern-day-slavery/
Uyghur exploitation in China slammed as ‘modern day slavery’

https://www.theguardian.com/global-...-uighur-forced-labour-say-rights-groups-china
Virtually entire' fashion industry complicit in Uighur forced labour, say rights groups

 

[Kutnupe14]

I am implying that people who have demonstrated a progressive (I thought we were differentiating Liberal from Progressive to keep Alpo's BP down) bent seem to be ignoring a situation that, were it somewhere else besides their meal ticket, they would normally be going full Karen/Ken about. The situation is not a secret, see below

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/12/15/asia-pacific/uighurs-xinjiang-cotton-labor/
Over 570,000 Uighurs forced to pick cotton in Xinjiang, report says

https://www.reuters.com/article/china-cotton-forced-labour-trfn-idUSKBN28P2CM
China accused of forcing 570,000 people to pick cotton in Xinjiang

https://www.neweurope.eu/article/uyghur-exploitation-in-china-slammed-as-modern-day-slavery/
Uyghur exploitation in China slammed as ‘modern day slavery’

https://www.theguardian.com/global-...-uighur-forced-labour-say-rights-groups-china
Virtually entire' fashion industry complicit in Uighur forced labour, say rights groups

I honestly don't know why the "cotton," part makes a difference. Those poor people are still being abused.

 

[Ingomike]

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/...ba-for-outrageous-response-to-chinese-boycott

Where were they when he was ran out of the organization?

 

[spencer rifle]

I honestly don't know why the "cotton," part makes a difference. Those poor people are still being abused.

Something cotton something something slavery something...

 

[BugI02]

I honestly don't know why the "cotton," part makes a difference. Those poor people are still being abused.

Congratulations. You can see it, why can't George Clooney, or Angelina Jolie, or LeBron James or Reese Witherspoon seem to see it?

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it"

 

[Ingomike]

I honestly don't know why the "cotton," part makes a difference. Those poor people are still being abused.

Isn't it interesting that groups that are all in on stuff from a century ago are bedfellows with those perpetrating similar right now...

 

[BugI02]

The important point is how widespread the use of Chinese cotton is (see the Guardian piece). It would not be an easy thing to boycott, but one would think if Hollywood's convictions were more than skin deep they would make the effort

Maybe no designer dress for the Oscars if you make trouble for China, or the studio perhaps pressured to select a different, less 'difficult' star? Do you believe if it was the EU using poor migrants or Canada using indigenous peoples similarly that there would already be a full hue and cry?

Edit: When will they learn that it is the blatant hypocrisy that really ****es people off

 

[jamil]

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/...ba-for-outrageous-response-to-chinese-boycott

Because you can find 8 bipartisan lawmakers that's proof that progressives don't support China?

 

[jamil]

I am implying that people who have demonstrated a progressive (I thought we were differentiating Liberal from Progressive to keep Alpo's BP down) bent seem to be ignoring a situation that, were it somewhere else besides their meal ticket, they would normally be going full Karen/Ken about. The situation is not a secret, see below

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/12/15/asia-pacific/uighurs-xinjiang-cotton-labor/
Over 570,000 Uighurs forced to pick cotton in Xinjiang, report says

https://www.reuters.com/article/china-cotton-forced-labour-trfn-idUSKBN28P2CM
China accused of forcing 570,000 people to pick cotton in Xinjiang

https://www.neweurope.eu/article/uyghur-exploitation-in-china-slammed-as-modern-day-slavery/
Uyghur exploitation in China slammed as ‘modern day slavery’

https://www.theguardian.com/global-...-uighur-forced-labour-say-rights-groups-china
Virtually entire' fashion industry complicit in Uighur forced labour, say rights groups

The biggest complaint I have here. Is Ken really the masculine version of Karen?

https://www.radio.com/alt1037dfw/blogs/camfield/man-uses-70-years-of-data-to-find-the-male-karen

 

[jamil]

I honestly don't know why the "cotton," part makes a difference. Those poor people are still being abused.

My dad quit school in the 3rd grade to pick cotton to help the family make ends meet. I don't think he had much choice. It's just what happened.


I don't think it makes a lot of difference. But it sounds like it's incidental, that it happens to be the labor they're forced to do.

 

[BugI02]

The biggest complaint I have here. Is Ken really the masculine version of Karen?

https://www.radio.com/alt1037dfw/blogs/camfield/man-uses-70-years-of-data-to-find-the-male-karen

Ken is alliterative

 

[BugI02]

I just had a thought, is it possible there was a transcription error? That Sidney really said she was going to '... release the Karen' not the Kraken

 

[jamil]

Ken is alliterative

Trying to think if I know any Ken's. No, I don't think I do. I don't think I've even met anyone named Ken. I do know some Terry's. A couple of them are *******s. A couple not.