Tea Party ‘founder’: Palin, Gingrich a ‘joke’

[mrjarrell]

Wow. Karl Denninger, one of the guys who spurred the new resurgence of the TEA Party movement is cutting loose on the usurpers of the movement. Lots of us out here have said it before, (and will likely keep right on saying it), the republicrats have infiltrated the movement and have taken over wide swaths of it. All to promote their party, not lower taxes and smaller government. It's rather sad. There was, and still may be, lots of potential in the TEA Parties, if they can kick the pretenders out.

Tea Party ‘founder’: Palin, Gingrich a ‘joke’ | Raw Story

 

[Joe Williams]

Reckon he'd rather the "Tea Party" had remained a group with no recognition, no effectiveness, and no weight in the elections just to sooth his ego. Poor wittle baby isn't getting all the attention any more

 

[ATF Consumer]

Reckon he'd rather the "Tea Party" had remained a group with no recognition, no effectiveness, and no weight in the elections just to sooth his ego. Poor wittle baby isn't getting all the attention any more

The "Tea Party" that Palin is affiliated with is a complete joke and a mockery of the founding movement in this country.
That particular Tea Party is simply a bunch of Republicans trying to hijack the entire movement and get the votes. Pathetic is what it is.

 

[Joe Williams]

The "Tea Party" that Palin is affiliated with is a complete joke and a mockery of the founding movement in this country.
That particular Tea Party is simply a bunch of Republicans trying to hijack the entire movement and get the votes. Pathetic is what it is.

What is the joke? Actually being able to influence elections? Isn't that the frigging point? Until they picked up some big names, and some people that aren't whack job anarchists to bulk up their ranks, the Tea Party was just a bunch of nobodies with no real voice, just some signs and self inflated importance.

 

[ATF Consumer]

What is the joke? Actually being able to influence elections? Isn't that the frigging point? Until they picked up some big names, and some people that aren't whack job anarchists to bulk up their ranks, the Tea Party was just a bunch of nobodies with no real voice, just some signs and self inflated importance.

The nobodies are best described as non-sheep, they care about individual freedoms. It's not worth following a leader if they are taking you down the wrong path.

 

[level.eleven]

What is the joke? Actually being able to influence elections? Isn't that the frigging point? Until they picked up some big names, and some people that aren't whack job anarchists to bulk up their ranks, the Tea Party was just a bunch of nobodies with no real voice, just some signs and self inflated importance.

Joe, it seems you are actually arguing the point of the OP.

 

[rambone]

God forbid we have an assembly of voters acting without the establishment's leadership.

 

[CorvetteTom]

Isn't that the entire point of the Tea Party??? No actual leader, no party affiliation and no famous speaker as a central voice. It's entirely about US and not the career politicians that are destroying freedoms everyday they sit in Washington DC.

 

[Joe Williams]

Isn't that the entire point of the Tea Party??? No actual leader, no party affiliation and no famous speaker as a central voice. It's entirely about US and not the career politicians that are destroying freedoms everyday they sit in Washington DC.

Cool. Sounds really neat, and like lots of fun!

Then again, lots of us want actual change, not just a bunch of hens sitting around *****ing and moaning.

 

[CorvetteTom]

Cool. Sounds really neat, and like lots of fun!

Then again, lots of us want actual change, not just a bunch of hens sitting around *****ing and moaning.

But Joe... how the hell else will it happen if we don't take some kind of action? I'm a member because at least I'm doing something proactive and it's more than just myself. If the Tea Party movement didn't propagate the current hatred for the status quo in Washington DC, then who would have done it? Sometimes it takes a militia of sorts, albeit this militia only carries signs... so far.

 

[Joe Williams]

But Joe... how the hell else will it happen if we don't take some kind of action? I'm a member because at least I'm doing something proactive and it's more than just myself. If the Tea Party movement didn't propagate the current hatred for the status quo in Washington DC, then who would have done it? Sometimes it takes a militia of sorts, albeit this militia only carries signs... so far.

You are right... but without leadership it cannot and will not grow enough to be truly effective. People like Gingrich have been fighting for change for years, taking on not only Dems but their own party. Palin is newer on the scene, but has been doing the same.

I'd like to see the change to our government the Tea Party has the potential to bring last longer than one election cycle. Without good leadership, this will not happen, and the movement will peter out.

 

[flagtag]

The only "real" joke is that the GOP thinks that the Tea Party was developed to help them out. The truth is that the Tea Party is against BOTH parties because they are both corrupt.

 

[CorvetteTom]

You are right... but without leadership it cannot and will not grow enough to be truly effective. People like Gingrich have been fighting for change for years, taking on not only Dems but their own party. Palin is newer on the scene, but has been doing the same.

I'd like to see the change to our government the Tea Party has the potential to bring last longer than one election cycle. Without good leadership, this will not happen, and the movement will peter out.

The small groups tend to make people feel like they are doing more. If it were one big group each person would feel less effective and it would tend to lose its force in short order. It's why so few people actually vote, they feel their vote doesn't count. The Tea Party is a bunch of people that are fed up and want to do something about it. Also, with no clear leader, the opposition doesn't have a demon to burn in effigy.

I know and understand what you are saying, but like all big things, they start small and not-so-well organized. The Tea Party is still evolving and growing. There isn't millions of dollars driving it, just the spirit of the people.

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

When the Tea Party finally bans these neocon shills, will be the day the Teaparty is for THE PEOPLE.

Palin, & Newt are jokes, and they're political beliefs and agendas run counter to what this Nation is; I'd rather THEY NOT INFLUENCE A SINGLE ELECTION.

 

[kingnereli]

You guys make a lot of good points. I'll have to go think this over some more while I'm in my bat cave with all the other faithfuls while we're plotting the next thing that is best for THE PEOPLE.

I like the Tea Party for the most part. However, the snooty, exclusive, ideological purity displayed in this thread will only insure absolutely nothing is achieved by the movement. In fact, this is the sort of thing that will keep the liberals in power.

Secondly, what more do you want. Sarah Palin has endorsed several Tea Party candidates. Heck, while she was in Florida recently she gave a rather nice speech about wanting a smaller, more responsible government and how she would like to return to Reaganism. If some no name tea party protest organizer had said it you all would be enthralled but because it was an "establishment politician" (or anyone you deem less pure than you) it gets the typical pointless internet whining.

 

[SavageEagle]

You are right... but without leadership it cannot and will not grow enough to be truly effective.

Really? Why? Why do they need a leader to be effective? If we stick to the main goals of the TEA Party, why does there need to be a leader? God is our leader. We're not fighting for government given rights. We're fighting for our Natural, God given Rights. We don't need a physical person in charge. It's called faith.

 

[Joe Williams]

Really? Why? Why do they need a leader to be effective? If we stick to the main goals of the TEA Party, why does there need to be a leader? God is our leader. We're not fighting for government given rights. We're fighting for our Natural, God given Rights. We don't need a physical person in charge. It's called faith.

I'll try to bear that in mind next time I go to a church with no pastor...

 

[SavageEagle]

I'll try to bear that in mind next time I go to a church with no pastor...

Good. I do every Sunday. My neighbors and my family study together without a "leader". He may be a Pastor, but that doesn't mean he stands there and preaches to us or tells us where to go in the book or what to do in our lives that week.

You don't have to have a Preacher to worship God.

You don't have to have a leader to have a powerful TEA Party group.

 

[SavageEagle]

I got to thinking a little harder on this.

When it comes to Christianity, there is more than just a pastor or preacher. In the center is the Word of God. Specifically, our beliefs, our goals, our way of life. Compare that with the TEA Party. In the center is the goals that are the same as our Founders with the Constitution, and their ambitions to allow us to better ourselves as a Country.

Outside that center are the individual churches and denominations. Compare that to the individual groups of the TEA Parties. Like churches have different preachers/pastors/etc that do not lead, but COUNSEL the congregation, in the TEA Party groups, you have a person or persons that act as the organizers for the group.

In the church they teach the Word of God and encourage the congregation to go out and live it. In the TEA Party, during the Rallies, the speakers get our word out and encourage us to go out and live the word and wishes of the Founders and our Constitution.

Just to be clear here, I'm not saying our Founders were like God. I'm just using the comparison that both those of religious faith are organized much like the TEA Parties. Religion is centered around the Word of God, while the TEA Party is centered around Liberty, Freedom, and Justice.

The Founders created this great Nation around Christian values and ideas from John Locke, Adam Smith, combination of government models from England, Rome, the Israelite people, etc, etc, etc. For almost a century and a half we have strayed farther from Freedom than our Founders ever dreamed. We have failed them. It's time we stand up as a people and show the world we will not fall to Socialist ideals.

Who else is going to do it? The Republicans? The Libertarians? You? Me?

No.

We as a whole people of the United States, not just one person. No leader is necessary when we as a people have the same desire for freedom and liberty.

Those seeking hand outs and Socialism are free to leave to the many nations across the globe who already have such systems in place.

 

[Ogre]

What is the joke? Actually being able to influence elections? Isn't that the frigging point? Until they picked up some big names, and some people that aren't whack job anarchists to bulk up their ranks, the Tea Party was just a bunch of nobodies with no real voice, just some signs and self inflated importance.

Hmmm, sounds like you're all for it being nothing more than a Republican marketing campaign. The big names "they picked up" (more like the status quo politicians that hijacked it) are doing nothing more than just trying to get you to vote for Republicans, because now they've learned their lesson and are going to consititutionally govern....