Secure ID program and RFID

[.45 Dave]

I don't know if this topic has come up before and I did not find anything when I did a search, but here are some thoughts on the new driver's license and I'd like some feedback on them.
It all came about because my wife has to find several documents just to get her driver's license--something a man has little problem with, btw. She needs to show her social security card, marriage license, any licenses for previous marriages, proof of address and who knows what else.
But what concerns me is that the Secure ID cards apparently have an embedded chip that can be read by RFID.
I see this as an invasion of privacy. A card like this can be tracked easily using RFID readers. I know they can be defeated by special wallets and such, but just the idea of having to have a card like this on my person at all times is alarming to say the least. Furthermore, with Indiana's law that ID must presented to vote, not having such a card will mean you won't be able to cast a ballot! Currently, you can still get an unsecured ID but that is supposed to change in 2016. After that, you comply or your constitutional right to cast a ballot is gone. I have also read that you will need them to enter a federal building. I guess if you have to go to court you'll be screwed there too without one of these.

I'm trying to look a this without a tin-foil hat on my head but it is a frightening scenario. Reminds me of what I read about having to have a certain mark to buy or sell. (Some of you will get my drift).
What do others of you think about this Secure ID?

Also, I don't know if this is the right forum so Mods feel free to move it. However, I think it fits "survival" pretty well.

 

[SSGSAD]

YES, I refused the "secure" ID, when I got my DL., this time... What is REAL scary, is this is NOT just a State req., it is FEDERAL..... Why does the Fed. G. have ANYTHING to do with a State issued ID ?????

 

[indykid]

I believe Indiana was the first state to go with the federally approved drivers license which is the new Big Brother Card. You can still get the standard drivers license, but they yell at you that one day if you don't have the card with what I believe is a star in the upper right, you will no longer be allowed the privilege of flying on a commercial airliner in the formerly free USA. I hope this country never gets that far, but the way things are going...

 

[BBill]

Papers Please!! EXCEPT if you are a illeagal-then you get to vote- free healthcare-we feed you and you can march and ***** about how bad you have it here!

 

[Archaic_Entity]

I'm not necessarily against verifying citizenship and residency. I don't think that we need a Federal ID, and I certainly don't think this ID should be expensive. But I don't see why it's bad to guarantee that the voter is alive and well, and has a state ID that has a lot of backing behind it to prove they're a citizen. The right to vote is the right of a citizen, not the right of anyone who happens to wander into this country.

 

[mrjarrell]

I renewed online and didn't have to show anything. And, as far as I know, there's no RFID chip in my card. It's not part of the Indiana scheme. They do use digital pictures that are capable of being read by scanners, tho.

 

[.45 Dave]

I renewed online and didn't have to show anything. And, as far as I know, there's no RFID chip in my card. It's not part of the Indiana scheme. They do use digital pictures that are capable of being read by scanners, tho.

From this website:

Enhanced drivers licenses or EDL


State-issued enhanced drivers licenses (EDLs) provide proof of identity and U.S. citizenship, are issued in a secure process. They provide travelers with a low-cost, convenient alternative for entering the United States from Canada, Mexico or the Caribbean through a land or sea port of entry, in addition to serving as a permit to drive.

Enhanced drivers licenses make it easier for U.S. citizens that travel to Canada and Mexico and will save you time at the Customs Booth upon your return to the United States.

Four Canadian provinces (British Columbia, Manitoba, Ontario, and Quebec) are issuing EDLs to Canadian citizens. Canadian citizens can present an EDL when entering the United States from Canada, Mexico, or the Caribbean through a land or sea port of entry.

How it works: a vicinity Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) chip that will signal a secure system to pull up your biographic and biometric data for the CBP officer as you approach the border inspection booth, and a Machine Readable Zone (MRZ) or barcode that the CBP officer can read electronically if RFID isn't available.


Indiana DL is one of these EDL licenses from what I've researched.

 

[mrjarrell]

Don't let that site fool you. What the REAL ID scheme called for, and what Indiana did, was make a card with "machine readable features". In Indiana's case that meant digital pictures capable of being scanned and the machine scanner code block on the back. Indiana hasn't gone the route of RFID chips yet, according to the people I've spoken with and the articles published on it in the past few years. Doesn't mean they won't do it in the future, but it's not there at the moment.

 

[Archaic_Entity]

Don't let that site fool you. What the REAL ID scheme called for, and what Indiana did, was make a card with "machine readable features". In Indiana's case that meant digital pictures capable of being scanned and the machine scanner code block on the back. Indiana hasn't gone the route of RFID chips yet, according to the people I've spoken with and the articles published on it in the past few years. Doesn't mean they won't do it in the future, but it's not there at the moment.

Strange to see you not fringing. But either way, as far as I know, that's what I've heard as well.

 

[mrjarrell]

Strange to see you not fringing. But either way, as far as I know, that's what I've heard as well.

It's just a subject I've paid close attention to. No need to get all out of sorts about a done deal. Especially when it hasn't gone as far as the powers that be want it to go. I have no doubt that RFID chips WILL be inserted in them, down the road. And that they are nothing more than a scheme to create a federal ID. Anyone who's read the REAL ID legislation and regs knows what they want to do. That's why I never bought into the crap that Daniels was a small government advocate. The tool has never met a federal mandate he didn't support. And the includes REAL ID, which he signed onto without a hitch.

 

[.45 Dave]

It's just a subject I've paid close attention to. No need to get all out of sorts about a done deal. Especially when it hasn't gone as far as the powers that be want it to go. I have no doubt that RFID chips WILL be inserted in them, down the road. And that they are nothing more than a scheme to create a federal ID. Anyone who's read the REAL ID legislation and regs knows what they want to do. That's why I never bought into the crap that Daniels was a small government advocate. The tool has never met a federal mandate he didn't support. And the includes REAL ID, which he signed onto without a hitch.

I agree. I've never cared that much for Daniels and think he's less of a conservative than he is an opportunist. Wasn't surprised when he endorsed Lugar--they're cut from the same cloth.

 

[Archaic_Entity]

It's just a subject I've paid close attention to. No need to get all out of sorts about a done deal. Especially when it hasn't gone as far as the powers that be want it to go. I have no doubt that RFID chips WILL be inserted in them, down the road. And that they are nothing more than a scheme to create a federal ID. Anyone who's read the REAL ID legislation and regs knows what they want to do. That's why I never bought into the crap that Daniels was a small government advocate. The tool has never met a federal mandate he didn't support. And the includes REAL ID, which he signed onto without a hitch.

Haha. That's the mrjarrell I'm used to reading. I agree it'll come down to a federal ID eventually, and my opinion on Daniels may differ, but for this election season it won't be particularly important. We'll see if he runs for Pres in four years.

 

[lordjackel]

Due to all the international traveling I do I have the "secured" version of my IN DL. I can tell you there is no RFID chip in it (you can still hold them up to a light and see through them). They are basically just stickers stuck to the white plastic card....just like they are today.

Mine has a star in the upper right hand corner and a red bird on the back.

I couldn't smile when they took the picture and everything on my face was measured by the system (their version of biometics)....and the only additional info I had to provide was proof of address (a bill) and my passport.

 

[The Keymaster]

Why would ANYONE trust ANY personal information to RFID. Manufacturers have quashed the truth about the technology for years. It is hackable, and cloneable. Look up the Youtube video that Jamie from Mythbusters did. He has a lot to say, without saying anything.

 

[buckstopshere]

I have to have a TWIC from the TSA for my job so I have unescorted access to some power plants, nuclear facilities, oil refineries, and the like.

It has an RFID chip in it. I'm sure these cards are the precursor to the FED ID cards.

 

[.45 Dave]

I have to have a TWIC from the TSA for my job so I have unescorted access to some power plants, nuclear facilities, oil refineries, and the like.

It has an RFID chip in it. I'm sure these cards are the precursor to the FED ID cards.

Sounds like if the SHTF you'd be the man to know!

 

[.45 Dave]

Even if the new secure ID cards do not have RFID chips I still don't like the fact that the federal government can mandate such requirements to the state and to us. I fully intend to start complaining to my congressman, senators and (after the big O gets out of there--if there's an election at all) to the White House. I see this as a stand for personal freedom and I am concerned about just where this kind of intrusion might end up--what they think they might want to force on us next in the name of keeping us "secure".

 

[TopDog]

Papers Please!! EXCEPT if you are a illeagal-then you get to vote- free healthcare-we feed you and you can march and ***** about how bad you have it here!

This is the part that should be getting more attention. As stated the new ID is set to happen.

 

[indyjoe]

We have had machine readable 2d barcodes on the back for over a decade. We did a test pilot program using CCD cameras in PDAs to read the data at least that long ago. Never went anywhere, but it was a fun project.

I know one bar that used to scan the back of the license as a way to authenticate IDs. They didn't tell you that they were building a database to use for marketing. Thursday night might be women 35-50 night, etc.

 

[wizard_of_ahs]

I renewed online and didn't have to show anything. And, as far as I know, there's no RFID chip in my card. It's not part of the Indiana scheme. They do use digital pictures that are capable of being read by scanners, tho.

Same here, just did it last night