Secession: an academic discussion

[BigRed]

OK... So tell us how the 10th Amendment gives States the right to secede. Especially interested in how they can do that if none of the "authorities" support that view.

I know you wnat States to be able to secede, but I just don't think there is any reasonable support for that. But I'm open to hear why you think that.

Nowhere does the constitution of the States say a state cannot seceede. In fact, the 10th makes clear that any power not delegated to the central government is retained by the State and the people.

 

[BigRed]

 

[Hawkeye]

Nowhere does it say a state cannot seceede. In fact, the 10th makes clear that any power not delegated to the central government is retained by the State and the people.

I will watch the YT video later.

 

[jamil]

Each and every state has the retained power as outlined in the 10th.

This is interpreted by an-caps in sundry ways to support all kinds of things it doesn't support.

 

[jamil]

That's one take. From ideologues. Who would tend to interpret things within their own ideological whims. So how do you answer the question outside of your own ideological whim?

 

[Hawkeye]

That's one take. From ideologues. Who would tend to interpret things within their own ideological whims. So how do you answer the question outside of your own ideological whim?

Good question.

 

[jamil]

Nowhere does the constitution of the States say a state cannot seceede. In fact, the 10th makes clear that any power not delegated to the central government is retained by the State and the people.

There are exactly two ways a state may succeed. 1) consent of the united states (note not capitalized), 2) revolution.

 

[Leadeye]

I don't really see state secession so much as states reshaping themselves along urban and rural lines because of the perceived values. Even examples like West Virginia during the civil war won't happen because the dc curia will be faced with additional red senators. I see it along more gradual lines where areas start tax revolts and local government refuses to enforce dc, or large urban, decrees at their level. What happens after that we'll just have to see.

 

[BugI02]

What happens after that we'll just have to see.

I just hope it happens while I can still see well enough to shoo... err ... recognize what is happening

 

[Leadeye]

I just hope it happens while I can still see well enough to shoo... err ... recognize what is happening

I really don't think that anybody in power now has enough Stalin in them to use force, or if they could even find the force to use. They might find out like Eric Honecker that the man with the gun simply is not going to enforce their decrees. It's still America, at least where I live.

 

[cobber]

I really don't think that anybody in power now has enough Stalin in them to use force, or if they could even find the force to use. They might find out like Eric Honecker that the man with the gun simply is not going to enforce their decrees. It's still America, at least where I live.

Merrick Garland?

 

[Leadeye]

Merrick Garland?

Looking into Garland's background you'll find he's just another chicago machine cog, somebody has been telling him what to do his entire career in public life. Today he gets his instructions from whoever gives joe instructions. That's the person or group that really needs to be brought out into the light as that's not who people voted for.

I really can't see feds showing up in MRAPS at county courthouses telling everybody that they are in charge. Troops have been used through history to restore order, but there's a difference between riots and simple non compliance.

 

[BigRed]

That's one take. From ideologues. Who would tend to interpret things within their own ideological whims. So how do you answer the question outside of your own ideological whim?

Williams: Threats to secede from nation are nothing new in our history

For decades, it has been obvious there are irreconcilable differences between Americans who want to control the lives of others and those who wish to be left alone. Which is the more peaceful solutio…

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[jamil]

I don't really see state secession so much as states reshaping themselves along urban and rural lines because of the perceived values. Even examples like West Virginia during the civil war won't happen because the dc curia will be faced with additional red senators. I see it along more gradual lines where areas start tax revolts and local government refuses to enforce dc, or large urban, decrees at their level. What happens after that we'll just have to see.

I agree. It’s happening now. People are self-sorting. People are fleeing from California to redder states. When I heard Californians were moving to FL, I thought, oh ****. They’re gonna turn Florida blue. That obviously didn’t happen. I think the people who are leaving are mostly right leaning independents and Republicans who have realized they’ve lost the battle in the bat **** crazy states.

I don’t think we’re ready to talk about secession of states. Yet.

 

[rob63]

Secession...




The problem is not that the government refuses to follow the constitution. The problem is that a large majority of the people don't really want a government that follows the constitution. Secession won't fix that.

 

[indyblue]

I agree. It’s happening now. People are self-sorting. People are fleeing from California to redder states. When I heard Californians were moving to FL, I thought, oh ****. They’re gonna turn Florida blue. That obviously didn’t happen. I think the people who are leaving are mostly right leaning independents and Republicans who have realized they’ve lost the battle in the bat **** crazy states.

I don’t think we’re ready to talk about secession of states. Yet.

Midterm Results Show What Happens When Americans Vote With Their Feet - The American Spectator | USA News and PoliticsThe American Spectator | USA News and Politics

Political polarization usually leads to balkanization and a corresponding migration pattern, as each faction of the nation’s population gathers together geographically. The Founding Fathers may have issued warnings against the people factionalizing, but they also provided outlets, such as powers...

spectator.org

 

[Creedmoor]

Woops my bad, I thoughtt the title was,
Sarcasm an Academic Discussion.

 

[BugI02]

Woops my bad, I thoughtt the title was,
Sarcasm an Academic Discussion.

"Putcha, putcha, putcha," the Taprisiot said. "This is a remark which I will now translate in the only way that may make sense to ones like yourselves of Sol/Earth ancestry. What I said was, 'I question your sincerity.' "

 

[Creedmoor]

"Putcha, putcha, putcha," the Taprisiot said. "This is a remark which I will now translate in the only way that may make sense to ones like yourselves of Sol/Earth ancestry. What I said was, 'I question your sincerity.' "

Frank.. Frank is that you?

 

[manifest destiny]

Are not more states, now, in a state of insurrection than preceding the civil war?
Illegal aliens, mary jane, guns, voting rights, ICE car use, reparations, forced "medical" treatments for work/school. Many states currently, openly, defy, ignore or circumvent fed laws or the constitution.