Russia vs. Ukraine Part 2

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[Route 45]

Ukrainian intelligence announces seizure of propaganda in Russian Orthodox churches and blurs face of cat 'agent'

Ukraine's government released a photo of intelligence agents, including a cat "agent," who seized Russian passports and other materials.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[DragonGunner]

So I see the “dictator” of Ukraine now persecuting the church, arresting pastors. The church is refusing to bow. How is this good again. The church has no affiliation to Russia. This is what started up in that middle east country, we had politicians wanting to start a war and back the rebels to overthrow a government. The rebels were killing Christian’s and destroying churches. We seem to always pick a side just as bad as the other side, sometimes even worse.

 

[Route 45]

So I see the “dictator” of Ukraine now persecuting the church, arresting pastors. The church is refusing to bow. How is this good again. The church has no affiliation to Russia. This is what started up in that middle east country, we had politicians wanting to start a war and back the rebels to overthrow a government. The rebels were killing Christian’s and destroying churches. We seem to always pick a side just as bad as the other side, sometimes even worse.

Somehow I don't imagine we'd see the same "outrage" about "persecuting" Muslims if mosques in the US were raided and collaborators of terrorism against the US were found. This isn't a game of tag and churches are not safe zones for the enemy. This is war.

**** the Russian Orthodox Church and anyone else who collaborates with occupiers.

 

[Wolfhound]

Ukrainian intelligence announces seizure of propaganda in Russian Orthodox churches and blurs face of cat 'agent'

Ukraine's government released a photo of intelligence agents, including a cat "agent," who seized Russian passports and other materials.

www.businessinsider.com

The main thing I got from that story was that someone made the decision to blur the cats face.

I am probably a bad person.

 

[DragonGunner]

Somehow I don't imagine we'd see the same "outrage" about "persecuting" Muslims if mosques in the US were raided and collaborators of terrorism against the US were found. This isn't a game of tag and churches are not safe zones for the enemy. This is war.

**** the Russian Orthodox Church and anyone else who collaborates with occupiers.

So much for Ukraines freedom of religion. They have yet to prove anything. By the way it was a Russian that made the the church there in Ukraine in 988. You either have freedom or you don’t. Even Ukraine officials are backing him and want to know how he plans on destroying the church while saying freedom to the rest. It’s a violation of Ukraines own Constitution. And no we didnt blame all Muslims for what some did… not sure what your messed up philosophy was on that statement. Maybe **** that also

 

[Route 45]

The main thing I got from that story was that someone made the decision to blur the cats face.

I am probably a bad person.

That's actually why I posted it.



I could give a **** less about an organization that harbors collaborators of scum that purposely rains missles down on civilians. No matter who their sky daddy is. Who would Jesus bomb?

 

[Route 45]

So much for Ukraines freedom of religion. They have yet to prove anything. By the way it was a Russian that made the the church there in Ukraine in 988. You either have freedom or you don’t. Even Ukraine officials are backing him and want to know how he plans on destroying the church while saying freedom to the rest. It’s a violation of Ukraines own Constitution. And no we didnt blame all Muslims for what some did… not sure what your messed up philosophy was on that statement. Maybe **** that also

GTFOH with your crocodile tears about "fReEdOm of rELiGiOn."

Ukrainian churches and places of worship devastated by war

As Russia's war continues, conservation is proving impossible—but heritage groups, priests and volunteers are doing their best to document the destruction

www.theartnewspaper.com

Russian forces destroy orthodox church 30 miles from Ukrainian capital

Kim Sengupta talks to residents in Makariv, just 30 miles from the Ukrainian capital, after it was targeted by Russian forces

www.independent.co.uk

Russian attack destroys ancient monastery in Ukraine: Zelenskyy

The Ukrainian leader calls for Russia to be expelled from UNESCO after the alleged attack.

www.aljazeera.com

cne.news

President Zelinsky of Ukraine has strongly reacted after Russian bombs hit the Orthodox Cathedral in Kharkiv. “God sees”, he warns and says that it is impossible to hide in a bunker to get away from God.

cne.news

 

[BugI02]

I could give a **** less about an organization that harbors collaborators of scum that purposely rains missles down on civilians

Sir Arthur Travers Harris and Curtis E Lemay do not approve of this post

 

[Wolfhound]

Sir Arthur Travers Harris and Curtis E Lemay do not approve of this post

War is hell. I think the V-1 and V-2 campaigns against England would more closely resemble what Russia is doing. Although missiles should be much more precise these days.

As one who chooses to believe in God I have to wonder how harshly Harris and LeMay will be judged when the time comes. I guess history can also deliver judgement of sorts after the fact.

 

[Tryin']

Sir Arthur Travers Harris and Curtis E Lemay do not approve of this post

Paid your reparations yet?

 

[Wolfhound]

Paid your reparations yet?

Well, we did help rebuild both Germany and Japan didn’t we?

 

[Tryin']

Well, we did help rebuild both Germany and Japan didn’t we?

That's a fair point. My focus was more on the idea that the doctrine of the past does not preclude the stance of the present.

 

[BugI02]

My main point was that F45's justification for violating the church was that it is war and that church is (said to be by a very sketchy government) supporting the wrong side, the side that is 'raining missiles down on civilians'

That is far too jingoistic a position IMO. The Ukrainians shell civilians sympathetic to Russia in the Donbas and the Russians shell civilians sympathetic to Kyiv. It sucks but it is not a new development or unique to those parties

Even Hitler didn't treat the Vatican so. From a distance, it is harder and harder to see who the 'good guys' are in that conflict

 

[Wolfhound]

That's a fair point. My focus was more on the idea that the doctrine of the past does not preclude the stance of the present.

Oh I see. I missed that.

 

[KellyinAvon]

For sone reason I thought the rear gunner had been removed by Vietnam for the 20mm.

Tail guns in the BUFFs went away in 1994 IIRC.

 

[BugI02]

Paid your reparations yet?

It's like slavery. I had no direct participation in the decisions made and thus feel no responsibility for the results

But if it is accepted that acting against those who 'rain missiles upon civilians' excuses those actions, quite a few unintended targets can get swept up in that net

 

[jamil]

Somehow I don't imagine we'd see the same "outrage" about "persecuting" Muslims if mosques in the US were raided and collaborators of terrorism against the US were found. This isn't a game of tag and churches are not safe zones for the enemy. This is war.

**** the Russian Orthodox Church and anyone else who collaborates with occupiers.

I’d kinda like to see the proof that it’s justified. Ain’t like either side is innocent.

 

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