Russia vs Ukraine anyone watching this ignite?

[DadSmith]

I also seen that Kharkiv fell last night. Yet they are still bombing it and fighting there. Who put out that propaganda?

 

[Tombs]

I also seen that Kharkiv fell last night. Yet they are still bombing it and fighting there. Who put out that propaganda?

If the propaganda is accurate, it has changed hands like 20 times in the past 2 days, lol.

 

[BugI02]

Ukrainian EOD personal

Explosive Ordinance Dude

 

[printcraft]

Exploding Ordinance Dude

FTFY

 

[BugI02]

IMO, that's a wrong question, possibly even an inadvertent strawman.
First, it's not a K-12.
Second, "Ukraine" did nothing wrong, of course, except following the lead of the puppeteers (as cringy as it sounds) and electing Poroshenko and then Zelensky government.
For one, said puppet government has been committing war crimes against the LDNR people for the past 8 years, and nobody on this forum really gave a sh*t -- and rightfully so. [So, did they bring a case to The Hague? If not, why not. 'War crimes' is an easy, evidence-free claim to make after the fact. On the order of 'he hit me first']
Then the Ukrainian government allegedly has been negotiating the construction of Western military bases on their territory. [Who alleges this? Is there any evidence beyond Russian propaganda? And, if true, after the forceful and blatant annexation of Crimea should we blame them? Seems like the Russians are big believers in the pretext of being invited in to protect some weaker country when it is to their advantage]

But I digress, you and I, dear @KG1, have already discussed this in other posts at relative length.
Long story short, IMO it's a proxy war, and sh*t has just got real.

 

[BugI02]

I disagree. It's very important to see who posts what and makes which conclusions.
This is VERY telling.

For example, most recently there was a whole thread about a touching speech by Indiana's own Victoria Spartz. Victoria, as it turns out, is a lying little ****.
This video speech [post] informed me about her [your] aptitude, willingness to take sides or to knowingly lie.
(She would be the one whom I would call a locust, dear @BugI02, by the way. She is the one who is putting America last, along with all of those ************s who put Ukrainian pins on their several-thousand-dollar suits paid for by AMERICANS.)

But I digress. Just one example, there are many more.

 

[jsx1043]

Maybe they should settle things the old fashioned way. Both Putin and Zelensky should put on some armor, equip themselves with sword, shield, and spear, and fight to the death in the public square. Winner’s side wins.

As long as Putin's health is on the up-and-up, I'd have to give him the nod with his oldschool KGB ways. And as long as the Zelensky dance video pertains, I'm not sure he could dance around Putin in high heels and leather pants.

 

[actaeon277]

City fighting is nasty
Russians should know this.

 

[nra4ever]

When you ask why we are here. This man has a different take than most.


































































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[idkfa]

I appreciate your well-reasoned position, but it was pretty much just an informal polling asking the question was Putin justified in taking unilateral action against Ukraine? Putin obviously thought it was. Maybe you agree/Maybe not.

I can assure you that it's not meant to be a trap on my part, although some might feel that you are a KGB agent if you reply in the affirmative.

I honestly don't know, because I literally cannot think of this conflict in isolation. In particular, in isolation from the past 2 years or most recently, events in Canada.
Too many unknowns to my taste.
If this happened e.g. in 2019, I would be prob yelling "Die Putin!" 'til I'm red in the face. Go figure.

 

[idkfa]

When you ask why we are here. This man has a different take than most.

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I shared this video in a different related thread. Got called a KGB operative for it (no joke).
That man has stressed some very important points that are not being discussed just about anywhere. Most people with UA flags aren't even aware of them.

 

[BugI02]

I honestly don't know, because I literally cannot think of this conflict in isolation. In particular, in isolation from the past 2 years or most recently, events in Canada.
Too many unknowns to my taste.
If this happened e.g. in 2019, I would be prob yelling "Die Putin!" 'til I'm red in the face. Go figure.

I am skeptical

 

[idkfa]

I am skeptical

As I said, you know nothing about me, and yet, and yet. Not that I am at all surprised or offended for that matter.
I really appreciate this place because something here allowed me to grow a really thick skin. Perhaps, it's radiation.

 

[KG1]

I honestly don't know, because I literally cannot think of this conflict in isolation. In particular, in isolation from the past 2 years or most recently, events in Canada.
Too many unknowns to my taste.
If this happened e.g. in 2019, I would be prob yelling "Die Putin!" 'til I'm red in the face. Go figure.

I appreciate your honest response. We've had a few interactions over this subject and for the most part we've been able to have a civil discussion about each other's point of view without name calling and I'd like to believe that we took the time to consider what we've both had to say before responding. This proves that it can be done.

 

[idkfa]

I was pretty much talking about battle damage, captured soldiers, phantom jet pilot clips and what they claim to be. I quit making conclusions about those especially when a lot of them have been proven to be inaccurate portrayals.

Fair enough. Ditto on the extent of damage/soldiers.
One can, however, make conclusions about what likely did not happen though.
E.g.,
1) pick a side, then
2) take the videos from the "other side", and
3) assume they are the most damning to "your side."
4) Switch sides and repeat.

And then analyze them dispassionately in terms of actual damage or montage.

 

[rooster]

I’m watching sky news right now,my new favorite source for on the ground reporting in this, and cannot even believe what I’m hearing the Russian ambassador say at the UN.

He’s complaining that Ukraine is arming the populace calling it “irresponsible”. He is also complaining that the Ukrainians have militarized the cities in preparation for the invasion.

He is also calling the president basically a puppet installed during the coup of 2013. Anyone interested in what happened then should watch the documentary “winter on fire” on Netflix.

 

[JTScribe]

I’m watching sky news right now,my new favorite source for on the ground reporting in this, and cannot even believe what I’m hearing the Russian ambassador say at the UN.

He’s complaining that Ukraine is arming the populace calling it “irresponsible”. He is also complaining that the Ukrainians have militarized the cities in preparation for the invasion.

He is also calling the president basically a puppet installed during the coup of 2013. Anyone interested in what happened then should watch the documentary “winter on fire” on Netflix.

Zalensky was elected in 2019, WTH?

 

[KG1]

Zalensky was elected in 2019, WTH?

He's probably talking about the puppet before the puppet. There was a Russian backed puppet in there too. I lost track of the puppets. Apparently, he did too. Here a puppet, there a puppet, everywhere a puppet.

 

[Ingomike]

Ok but does Russia have the right to bring “their” states back under control? That’s what Putin is doing. Claiming Ukraine.

No and equivocations to the US are not equal.

 

[DragonGunner]

I’m watching sky news right now,my new favorite source for on the ground reporting in this, and cannot even believe what I’m hearing the Russian ambassador say at the UN.

He’s complaining that Ukraine is arming the populace calling it “irresponsible”. He is also complaining that the Ukrainians have militarized the cities in preparation for the invasion.

He is also calling the president basically a puppet installed during the coup of 2013. Anyone interested in what happened then should watch the documentary “winter on fire” on Netflix.

Amazing.....Biden is a meat puppet here and calls out anyone not a democrat irresponsible. Birds of a feather stick together.