Russia vs Ukraine anyone watching this ignite?

[DadSmith]

That mine take 350lbs straight down to set it off or 5lbs of force turning the wrong way on the fuse trying to disarm would make you see wings and harps...

Ukrainian EOD personal

 

[KG1]

Ukrainian EOD personal

That guy is carrying the mine like it's a baby with a poopy diaper.

 

[idkfa]

I would just like to know how many think that whatever the Ukraine has done before does it justify what Putin is doing now?

IMO, that's a wrong question, possibly even an inadvertent strawman.
First, it's not a K-12.
Second, "Ukraine" did nothing wrong, of course, except following the lead of the puppeteers (as cringy as it sounds) and electing Poroshenko and then Zelensky government.
For one, said puppet government has been committing war crimes against the LDNR people for the past 8 years, and nobody on this forum really gave a sh*t -- and rightfully so.
Then the Ukrainian government allegedly has been negotiating the construction of Western military bases on their territory.

But I digress, you and I, dear @KG1, have already discussed this in other posts at relative length.
Long story short, IMO it's a proxy war, and sh*t has just got real.

 

[idkfa]

I quit paying attention to a lot of media things posted. I might look at some, but I have no way of knowing if the what, where, when, who, why and how is being accurately portrayed. It's a fool's errand.

I disagree. It's very important to see who posts what and makes which conclusions.
This is VERY telling.

For example, most recently there was a whole thread about a touching speech by Indiana's own Victoria Spartz. Victoria, as it turns out, is a lying little ****.
This video speech informed me about her aptitude, willingness to take sides or to knowingly lie.
(She would be the one whom I would call a locust, dear @BugI02, by the way. She is the one who is putting America last, along with all of those ************s who put Ukrainian pins on their several-thousand-dollar suits paid for by AMERICANS.)

But I digress. Just one example, there are many more.

 

[DadSmith]

Ask yourself "can I change any of this" if the answer is no then have yourself a worry free day.

 

[KG1]

IMO, that's a wrong question, possibly even an inadvertent strawman.
First, it's not a K-12.
Second, "Ukraine" did nothing wrong, of course, except following the lead of the puppeteers (as cringy as it sounds) and electing Poroshenko and then Zelensky government.
For one, said puppet government has been committing war crimes against the LDNR people for the past 8 years, and nobody on this forum really gave a sh*t -- and rightfully so.
Then the Ukrainian government allegedly has been negotiating the construction of Western military bases on their territory.

But I digress, you and I, dear @KG1, have already discussed this in other posts at relative length.
Long story short, IMO it's a proxy war, and sh*t has just got real.

I appreciate your well-reasoned position, but it was pretty much just an informal polling asking the question was Putin justified in taking unilateral action against Ukraine? Putin obviously thought it was. Maybe you agree/Maybe not.

I can assure you that it's not meant to be a trap on my part, although some might feel that you are a KGB agent if you reply in the affirmative.

 

[jamil]

Maybe they should settle things the old fashioned way. Both Putin and Zelensky should put on some armor, equip themselves with sword, shield, and spear, and fight to the death in the public square. Winner’s side wins.

 

[KG1]

I disagree. It's very important to see who posts what and makes which conclusions.
This is VERY telling.

For example, most recently there was a whole thread about a touching speech by Indiana's own Victoria Spartz. Victoria, as it turns out, is a lying little c*nt.
This video speech informed me about her aptitude, willingness to take sides or to knowingly lie.
(She would be the one whom I would call a locust, dear @BugI02, by the way. She is the one who is putting America last, along with all of those m**herf**kers who put Ukrainian pins on their several-thousand-dollar suits paid for by AMERICANS.)

But I digress. Just one example, there are many more.

I was pretty much talking about battle damage, captured soldiers, phantom jet pilot clips and what they claim to be. I quit making conclusions about those especially when a lot of them have been proven to be inaccurate portrayals.

 

[KG1]

Maybe they should settle things the old fashioned way. Both Putin and Zelensky should put on some armor, equip themselves with sword, shield, and spear, and fight to the death in the public square. Winner’s side wins.

The only win is if both of them get killed along with all the other corrupt a-holes. "Let's get it on!"

 

[DadSmith]

Maybe they should settle things the old fashioned way. Both Putin and Zelensky should put on some armor, equip themselves with sword, shield, and spear, and fight to the death in the public square. Winner’s side wins.

A no glove MMA match to death....

 

[22LRFan]

Ask yourself "can I change any of this" if the answer is no then have yourself a worry free day.

For the win!!

 

[Leadeye]

Are you sure about that?
The list of countries who have not condemned Putin is larger than the ones who have,and account for more of the population of earth.
China,India,and Brazil have not condemned Russia invading. No country other than Libya in Africa has. Not a single US ally in the middle east has either. Not even Israel has condemned the invasion.
Our southern neighbor Mexico is not participating in sanctions of any kind,and is allowing flights from Russia and encouraging more trade with them,and has actually supported Putin.

To say Putin is hated by the world because you only see one view is not a good thing.

I'm thinking about the big spenders at Chinamart. While I'm sure putin has support, the question would be how much money is that "support" spending every year at Chinamart. Mexico certainly buys enough Fentanyl from china, but I don't know how the rest of thier purchases or those from Africa match up to western europe and the US.

 

[Leadeye]

Has Russia used any Mig 31's in Ukraine war yet? Isn't that supposed to be their most advanced mass produced fighter?

Like the Mig-25 it came from, it's not much of a fighter. More of a special purpose interceptor. It's still an impressive airplane.

 

[Leadeye]

Czech, Polish Officials Analyze Russo-Ukraine War

Two top officials from the Czech Republic and Poland last week analyzed the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine.

www.newsmax.com

Russia-Ukraine war: Kharkiv photos show casualties, devastation as mass exodus continues

Russian military forces forged ahead with their onslaught of attacks on Ukraine, even as they faced resistance in its efforts to take the capital city of Kyiv.

www.foxnews.com

This has a different angle on the black car above.

Russia is 'exclusively aiming at civilians,' Kharkiv woman says. She's 'praying to stay alive'

A Kharkiv, Ukraine, resident said Russia is exclusively targeting civilians in recent days.

www.foxnews.com

It certainly doesn't have the speed or intensity of Bagration in 44.

 

[Leadeye]

Maybe they should settle things the old fashioned way. Both Putin and Zelensky should put on some armor, equip themselves with sword, shield, and spear, and fight to the death in the public square. Winner’s side wins.

Thunderdome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[DadSmith]

Like the Mig-25 it came from, it's not much of a fighter. More of a special purpose interceptor. It's still an impressive airplane.

Is it supposed to be comparable to the F-15? The F-15 is undefeated iirc it's 104-0.

 

[Leadeye]

Is it supposed to be comparable to the F-15? The F-15 is undefeated iirc it's 104-0.

It's really not close to anything in the US arsenal, different design philosophy. In the west we like our planes to do different things if they can. The Mig-25 was designed specifically to intercept the US XB-70, when that bomber was cancelled the plane was short of it's main mission, but still had some uses. High speed fast acceleration, but really short range and little turning ability. It was designed to get to a target in it's range quickly and launch missiles. The Mig-31 does the same things, but has downward looking radar and greater range, probably to pick up and stop cruise missiles instead of a high flying high speed bomber. Turning in a dog fight is a no go.

I remember the Mig-25 before Belenko's defection. The Foxbat was evaluated using western assumptions about range and maneuverability so we didn't understand how the USSR had gotten so far ahead. Truth was we were just evaluating it incorrectly.

 

[DadSmith]

Truth or propaganda?

 

[Brad69]

I say BS the Kraians only had 37 MIG 29’s at the start. Some of the Air Force vets can chime in but I would think some were down for maintenance.

The Russians have the SS400 among other ADA assets that are some of the best in the world. I would assume any operational aircraft would be used in the ground attack role.

The tail of a Lone Wolf pilot ambushing Russian hordes sounds good but I am suspicious.

How would a great pilot in a early 90’s F15 fair against a 2021 F15 with a good pilot?

 

[Tombs]

Has Russia used any Mig 31's in Ukraine war yet? Isn't that supposed to be their most advanced mass produced fighter?

Not even close. Russia's most advanced fighter is the SU-57 Felon. It was built to compete with the F22.

The Mig31 is an upgraded mig 25, and it's pretty much exclusively a cold war relic for intercepting high mach nuclear bombers flying over Russia. They're fast, very fast, but they aren't a fighter.

Think of it like a downscaled and cheap version of an SR-71, but carrying missiles.

The most capable fighter I've heard of being in this conflict is the SU-27.