Popular handgun fires without anyone pulling the trigger, victims say

[Ark]

The point of WaPo and The Trace sinking resources into this subject is to get mag cutoffs and external safeties imposed by law.

 

[Lpherr]

I have now carried a 320 for 2 years? now.
Ive dropped it a few times along the way, its never discharged without my booger hook on the bang switch.
I have a few of them.

First... was a round chambered? It doesn't count when the magwell is empty, and no round in pipe.

Would you like to add another to your collection?
No safety, just the decocker. Let me know how it goes carrying it for two years...

 

[Creedmoor]

First... was a round chambered? It doesn't count when the magwell is empty, and no round in pipe.

Would you like to add another to your collection?
No safety, just the decocker. Let me know how it goes carrying it for two years...

My carry pistols always have a full mag and one in the pipe, I bought M17's for the reason of the amby safety. Its only used when the pistol is pushed into the holster.

To many folks have "Pops" with striker fired pistols either drawing or putting them back in the holster.

Funny that I learned from some here that ones booger hook is the best safety avilable.

 

[WebSnyper]

First... was a round chambered? It doesn't count when the magwell is empty, and no round in pipe.

Would you like to add another to your collection?
No safety, just the decocker. Let me know how it goes carrying it for two years...

Not sure what you are referring to related to a decocker for a 320.

 

[Lpherr]

Not sure what you are referring to related to a decocker for a 320.

You are correct. I just looked at it.
I was thinking it had the decocker like the P229; it does not.
No safety either.
It's been to the range exactly one time, and been hiding since, so I remembered incorrectly.

 

[Gaffer]

I love urban legends.

This first video.. some potty mouth.





On a more serious note:

 

[BigRed]

Meanwhile, my old 1911 carried cocked and locked just keeps on going about its daily business without a hitch.

 

[Ingomike]

Meanwhile, my old 1911 carried cocked and locked just keeps on going about its daily business without a hitch.

How can it pull a trailer without a hitch? Wait, 1911‘s pull trailers? Oh, yes I forgot, 1911‘s do everything…

 

[grillak]

neither of my p320s have tried to shoot me

they have looked at me in a threatening way...i think it was because i didn't buy a .45 p320

 

[MinuteManMike]

All I can think of is the jerk that killed his kid w/ a Taurus and somehow it was Taurus' fault.

 

[Ark]

I chalk the whole P320 thing up to a combination of the following factors:

The original drop issue - The trigger assembly has enough mass and inertia to pull itself when dropped in the wrong orientation and does not have a trigger tab or hinged trigger to prevent this.

Enormous popularity - Huge sales numbers, lots of guns in circulation, more NDs attributed to it.

Lack of design features to prevent user NDs - The market wanted this. It fires when you pull the trigger and has no added features to interfere with that. No DA pull, no hinged trigger, no external safety lever.

Cops - Enormous numbers sold to police. Police are uniquely unsafe with guns (sorry not sorry, I've seen you shoot), and police shooting themselves gets media attention when Joe Blow shooting himself in his truck does not.

 

[Route 45]

Mmm hmm...

AP Exclusive: Accidental shootings show police training gaps

SEATTLE (AP) — When an Iowa mother tried to take her child from her husband during an argument on a snowy sidewalk in 2015, an officer stepped in to stop the scuffle, but he accidentally fired his weapon as a dog approached.

apnews.com

"No one tracks these shootings nationwide, so the AP collected media reports and surveyed agencies across the country through public records requests. The review was not comprehensive, due to the sheer number of U.S. law enforcement agencies and a lack of reporting requirements for such shootings. But it provides a snapshot of the problem, documenting 1,422 unintentional discharges since 2012 at 258 agencies, and uncovering detailed reports on 426."

 

[ditcherman]

Mmm hmm...

AP Exclusive: Accidental shootings show police training gaps

SEATTLE (AP) — When an Iowa mother tried to take her child from her husband during an argument on a snowy sidewalk in 2015, an officer stepped in to stop the scuffle, but he accidentally fired his weapon as a dog approached.

apnews.com

"No one tracks these shootings nationwide, so the AP collected media reports and surveyed agencies across the country through public records requests. The review was not comprehensive, due to the sheer number of U.S. law enforcement agencies and a lack of reporting requirements for such shootings. But it provides a snapshot of the problem, documenting 1,422 unintentional discharges since 2012 at 258 agencies, and uncovering detailed reports on 426."

…and the officer has since moved up in the ranks of the ATF.

Goes on to say he kept his job.

Another in that story said he shot a guy out of pure adrenaline, did not consciously pull the trigger.

Training is the answer, seems to me.

But anyway, how many of these 1422 were from the dreaded 320?

 

[Gaffer]

But anyway, how many of these 1,422 were from the dreaded 320?

Glock Fanboys: All of them

Sig Owners: None of them

1911 Owners: Duh.... what ??????

 

[Kurr]

How can it pull a trailer without a hitch? Wait, 1911‘s pull trailers? Oh, yes I forgot, 1911‘s do everything…

We use the lanyard ring as a ring hitch.

 

[Route 45]

Glock Fanboys: All of them

Sig Owners: None of them

There was "Glock leg" long before there was "Sig drop pop."

 

[LtScott14]

How about Israeli Carry(no round in breech)? Too slow, be DOA by the time you need it.
Keep looking.

 

[Mongo59]

Sig gives "decocker" a whole new meaning...

 

[ditcherman]

Sig gives "decocker" a whole new meaning...

I’ve thought of that many times as I reholster my AIWB 320’s.

 

[grillak]

I’ve thought of that many times as I reholster my AIWB 320’s.

i'm glad i have a natural deterent to aiwb