Open Carry in Philadelphia

[ATM]

lets hope MARK can win his case & sue PHILLY

I'd settle for no less than a public apology and a lifetime supply of those delicious steak n cheese sammiches.

 

[finity]

sigh...

Does this really surprise ANYONE here? Anyone...?

 

[SirRealism]

sigh...

Does this really surprise ANYONE here? Anyone...?

Sadly, no. Can you imagine what a few gentlemen from ~230 yrs ago would think if they saw their city now?

 

[SirRealism]

Mark got a nice writeup @ philly.com: Man who clashed with cops over legal gun was also armed with audio recorder - Philly.com

Also, the OCers in Philly held a march this past weekend: Official Philly OC Rally Activity Thread

Because of Mark's case, and the subsequent rally, the PPD liaison said that the police are going to get more training. We'll see if it takes... this time. Previous directives seem to have been ignored.

Philly is in the spotlight now, thanks to timely use of an audio recorder.

 

[Scutter01]

Also, in an unrelated story, legislation to restrict the audio recording of on-duty police officers was introduced in the state house today...

 

[SirRealism]

Also, in an unrelated story, legislation to restrict the audio recording of on-duty police officers was introduced in the state house today...

In Penn?

 

[Scutter01]

In Penn?

It was a joke. However, don't be surprised when it happens.

 

[SirRealism]

It was a joke. However, don't be surprised when it happens.

Unfortunately, I won't be surprised. That's why I didn't recognize it was a joke.

The PPD has already gone on record as saying that the victim planned the whole thing to provoke the police, get a confrontation, and record it. What else can they say, when they **** up so royally?

 

[Bigum1969]

It was a joke. However, don't be surprised when it happens.

Sad.

 

[rugertoter]

Unfortunately, I won't be surprised. That's why I didn't recognize it was a joke.

The PPD has already gone on record as saying that the victim planned the whole thing to provoke the police, get a confrontation, and record it. What else can they say, when they **** up so royally?

That whole situation is just a whole bunch of stupid.

 

[RockofStrength]

The PPD has already gone on record as saying that the victim planned the whole thing to provoke the police, get a confrontation, and record it. What else can they say, when they **** up so royally?

Of course even were that true, the cops still reacted illegally. Not that that matters since Mark didn't HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHALLENGE HIM, as I hope we all noted for future reference. Gotta make sure your "how to behave under the Iron Boot" handbooks are up to date!

Am I the only one expecting a minor reprimand at best? Paid time off or something? And maybe a couple hundred thousand taxpayer dollars that that man rightly deserves to have paid out of the officers' own pockets.

 

[KG1]

My take on this is.. Who was acting more lawless and with reckless abandone in this incident.. the guy that was open carrying legally or the Philly PD officers?

 

[CarmelHP]

Mark got a nice writeup @ philly.com: Man who clashed with cops over legal gun was also armed with audio recorder - Philly.com

Also, the OCers in Philly held a march this past weekend: Official Philly OC Rally Activity Thread

Because of Mark's case, and the subsequent rally, the PPD liaison said that the police are going to get more training. We'll see if it takes... this time. Previous directives seem to have been ignored.

Philly is in the spotlight now, thanks to timely use of an audio recorder.

So....he endangered the police by doing something legal? He "set them up" and forced them to respond by not breaking the law? This takes stupid to a whole new level.

 

[level.eleven]

Radley Balko tackled this issue this morning. Bluntly, he is calling for the arrest of the prosecutor in this case. Mark embarrassed the cops, but it wasn't until it hit youtube that it became an issue. So, 2 months later, he gets slapped with “reckless endangerment and disorderly conduct”.

It's interesting that the cops are using the term "set-up" as it generally applies to catching someone doing something illegal.

Philadelphia District Attorney R. Seth Williams Should Be Arrested | The Agitator

 

[SirRealism]

I keep thinking it can't get more stupider. Take this comment from Capt. Joseph Di Lacqua, Philadelphia Police Department: "Would the next officer be as accommodating - or shoot first and ask questions later?" (Letters: Reactions to tale of gun-toter vs. cops - Philly.com)

That is chilling.

The AP, to nobody's surprise, called the exchange between Mark Fiorino and the cops a "profanity-laced back-and-forth". (Man claims online audio posting prompted charges | 6abc.com) That all the profanity came from the cops was completely lost on this stellar news org. They also failed to mention that the cop threatened to "****ing shooting" Mark. The AP did, however, pepper the story with more than one mention of a guy with a "gun on his hip". Damn, I hate that expression... it's so obviously written to provoke small minds.

 

[Relatively Ninja]

a man walking down the street in Philadelphia with gun openly displayed is a nonverbal threat to every one in the city

And a man drinking a beer is non verbally admitting to being an alcoholic.

 

[RockofStrength]

Recently saw this while checking Foxnews, figured it'd be good to have more info here...


After Altercation, Philadelphia Police Say They Won't Look the Other Way on Open-Carry Gun Owners - FoxNews.com

 

[PatriotPride]

My take on this is.. Who was acting more lawless and with reckless abandone in this incident.. the guy that was open carrying legally or the Philly PD officers?

Philly PD, hands down. I can't tell if this was a serious question or not.

 

[KG1]

Philly PD, hands down. I can't tell if this was a serious question or not.

The comment I guess was more of a statement in question form. In my opinion I feel the Philly PD needlessly took it to a level that escalated the whole situation to were someone could have gotten injured or even killed with their reckless attitude.

 

[pleiades]

OH but it gets better.... This morning
After Altercation, Philadelphia Police Say They Won't Look the Other Way on Open-Carry Gun Owners - FoxNews.com

And the cops state: ""Philadelphia, in certain areas, is very dangerous," he said. "There's a lot of gun violence." Several officers have been killed in the line of duty in the past three years, local authorities say."

Although this may indeed be true, and I'm not doubting that fact, when is the last time a gang bang-er actually carried a weapon in a holster, in open view? How about a Walmart bag, in the pocket, in the waist band, etc.

I hope he sues the city...and moves.