NRA Constitutional Carry Update

[Kirk Freeman]

Don't forget to send thank you notes. He's my note to Dougie Carter--

"I want to thank Dougie Carter for helping pass Constitutional Carry in Indiana. By throwing a toddleresque fit in the Senate committee, in uniform no less, he switched enough votes to eliminate the vile, racist license to carry a handgun.

I thank him from the bottom of my heart. Thank you, Dougie.



Kirk S. Freeman
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323 Columbia Street, Suite 100
P.O. Box 1132
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(765) 429-7035"

 

[Kirk Freeman]

What happens if he chooses to do nothing, doesn't sign it and let's it sit. Is there a timeframe involved that allows it to become law afterwards?

Again, it does not matter. There is no Pocket Veto in Indiana. It becomes law on the 8th day.

More INGOers should read my award winning thread on the powers of the Indiana Governor. Winner of the Golden Rhino, 2021.

Understanding Indiana Government, Governor

Based on the questions swirling around HB1369 I note is a complete misunderstanding of the powers and authority of the Governor of Indiana. I know that some of this misunderstanding is deliberate as it is an attempt to rationalize personal inertia on HB 1369 as human desire will always be to...

www.indianagunowners.com

 

[Expat]

Let's see what Holcomb does now. Bet he vetoes it, which would kill his chances for senate.

I thought all of his shutdowns and mandates would have killed his chances for reelection, but Hoosiers apparently love a big state authoritarian as long as we call him a Republican.

 

[Yup!]

Again, it does not matter. There is no Pocket Veto in Indiana. It becomes law on the 8th day.

More INGOers should read my award winning thread on the powers of the Indiana Governor. Winner of the Golden Rhino, 2021.

Understanding Indiana Government, Governor

Based on the questions swirling around HB1369 I note is a complete misunderstanding of the powers and authority of the Governor of Indiana. I know that some of this misunderstanding is deliberate as it is an attempt to rationalize personal inertia on HB 1369 as human desire will always be to...

www.indianagunowners.com

So if he vetos - a simple majority can override the veto - so it’s basically “vote again” ?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

So if he vetos - a simple majority can override the veto - so it’s basically “vote again” ?

Nailed it.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I thought all of his shutdowns and mandates would have killed his chances for reelection, but Hoosiers apparently love a big state authoritarian as long as we call him a Republican.

Plagues are very different. Before the Welfare State, the role of the State Government was dealing with disease outbreaks.

 

[Ark]

So if he vetos - a simple majority can override the veto - so it’s basically “vote again” ?

Yes, assuming too many votes aren't dropped by reps who don't want the optics of explicitly voting against their governor.

 

[manifest destiny]

Holcomb will veto. There's a slim chance he doesn't sign, it becomes law. Then he can use it both ways.... "I didn't allow 'dangerous' constitutional carry." "I helped usher in true constitutional principles by allowing constitutional carry to become the law." The crowd listening will dictate which sentence he uses. If he vetoes, an override is no sure thing.

 

[tbhausen]

If he vetoes, a United States Senate seat is no sure thing.

 

[cosermann]

https://act.nraila.org/campaign/37106/

Contacted. We'll see if it does any good.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I thought all of his shutdowns and mandates would have killed his chances for reelection, but Hoosiers apparently love a big state authoritarian as long as we call him a Republican.

Yes. This is true, way too often.

 

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Your hard work has paid off! Late last night, both the House and the Senate voted and passed House Bill 1296- Constitutional Carry. It will soon head to Governor Eric Holcomb’s desk for his consideration. Please contact Gov. Holcomb and ask him to sign House Bill 1296 into law. ​ CLICK HERE TAKE ACTION ​ Constitutional Carry allows any law-abiding adult who is legally eligible to obtain a carry permit to carry a handgun without first having to obtain government permission. This ensures that citizens have their right to self-defense without government red tape or delays. It does not affect previously issued carry permits and allows citizens who still wish to obtain a permit in order to carry in other states recognizing Indiana permits to do so. Again, please contact Gov. Holcomb and ask him to sign House Bill 1296 into law. In Liberty, David Conte Grassroots Field Coordinator NRA-ILA Grassroots Programs & Campaign Field Operations 703-708-4664 | david@nrailafrontlines. http://www.nrailafrontlines.com/

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[380Mike]

OK, if it becomes law, what does this do for the reciprocity carry for other states? Are people with older permits covered still? Will our permits become worthless? Anyone know these answers?

 

[defaultdotxbe]

OK, if it becomes law, what does this do for the reciprocity carry for other states? Are people with older permits covered still? Will our permits become worthless? Anyone know these answers?

Reciprocity for permit holders would remain unchanged, and permits would only be needed for reciprocity

 

[KellyinAvon]

OK, if it becomes law, what does this do for the reciprocity carry for other states? Are people with older permits covered still? Will our permits become worthless? Anyone know these answers?

Nothing, yes, no, yes

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

OK, if it becomes law, what does this do for the reciprocity carry for other states? Are people with older permits covered still? Will our permits become worthless? Anyone know these answers?

Your question was answered above but here’s another way to look at it: if you’re a lifetime LTCH holder, nothing changed. Nothing. What you did was pave the way for more liberty for future generations.

Additionally, if you’re a 5-year license holder, you will now have another option when your license expires.

 

[tbhausen]

OK, if it becomes law, what does this do for the reciprocity carry for other states? Are people with older permits covered still? Will our permits become worthless? Anyone know these answers?

I asked these questions in the main thread and I’m still waiting for a clear answer. Reciprocity is more complex than the short answers most give. Thank you to anyone who can bring clarity here:

Can unlicensed residents of other Constitutional Carry states carry here without our state license?

Can unlicensed residents of Indiana carry in other constitutional carry states (with the exception of North Dakota) without their state licenses?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

A reminder that no one should listen to the cops when it comes to civil rights. The police chief of my city, Lafayette, testified against Constitutional Carry. Shortly before his testimony, Pat hired a Nazi and the deputy chief, Bishop, admitted to me that there could be up to a dozen other Nazis on the Lafayette Police Department but he wasn't going to go looking for them.

Why would anyone in the General Assembly listen to a Nazi cop?

After firing officer for neo-Nazi posts, Lafayette police 'not making excuses,' pledge better background checks

Lafayette police on Monday were still trying to explain how they hired an officer recruit in June whose posts on a neo-Nazi site were uncovered by anti-fascist investigators a year earlier.

www.jconline.com

 

[HoughMade]

I thought all of his shutdowns and mandates would have killed his chances for reelection, but Hoosiers apparently love a big state authoritarian as long as we call him a Republican.

He has his eye on the Senate. Mark my words.

 

[tbhausen]

A reminder that no one should listen to the cops when it comes to civil rights. The police chief of my city, Lafayette, testified against Constitutional Carry. Shortly before his testimony, Pat hired a Nazi and the deputy chief, Bishop, admitted to me that there could be up to a dozen other Nazis on the Lafayette Police Department but he wasn't going to go looking for them.

Why would anyone in the General Assembly listen to a Nazi cop?

After firing officer for neo-Nazi posts, Lafayette police 'not making excuses,' pledge better background checks

Lafayette police on Monday were still trying to explain how they hired an officer recruit in June whose posts on a neo-Nazi site were uncovered by anti-fascist investigators a year earlier.

www.jconline.com

Good article with a bonus quotation from Kirk