Not Survivalist Enough ?

[2ADMNLOVER]

Earlier today I posted a scenario on SHTF.com about procuring food during or shortly after a SHTF type event .

Long story short , the gist is , everyone and their brother will be fighting it out over a can of spam at the grocery store or a gallon of gas / supplies at the gas station .

I had the idea that a school might be a decent place for procuring supplies .

Every cafeteria I've ever seen had large #10 ( I think ) cans of food . The nurse's office will have med supplies , the pool will have chemicals I might need .

Forty some odd folks read the post but only one replied and was somewhat condescending about it .

My "mall ninja" idea is flawed because not only I'm stealing ,
I've made no provision for water ,
wont get more than 3 days food at best ,
wide spread events only last 3 days generally ,
I'll be on CCTV and soon after I'll be jailed .

What say INGO ? Am I just a crappy tactical planner or not survivalist enough ?

 

[techres]

While you are raiding a school kitchen, a gang will be raiding the national guard armory. Guess who will win in the streets?

Either people will work together in groups, or the groups will eat the people.

Now if you were the lonely survivor of a plague that you alone after, a school make sense but so would Krogers. I would think of a school as a great fallback point in the Zombie wars depending on the school design.

But any plan that has me relying on raiding or looting would likely end with me being shot by another looter or someone defending what they already have. I am more interested in food stocks and building groups that can help me keep it.

 

[redneckmedic]

You can buy gov issued food in bulk its all the same at schools and in prisons. ( I cant find the link now though) I would stock up now, that way you could just watch the vultures fight...from a distance that is.

 

[2ADMNLOVER]

I'm good on everything for about two months now .

The idea is that if something were to happen tomorrow , (wake up and the worlds' gone nuts/ whatever) it could be one last effort to obtain supplies .

Who knows how bad it could get or last , anyone know anything about Ferfal and Argentina ? Is that still going on ?

It's an idea I haven't seen yet and I figure most of the people will be at the store grabbing whats left and fighting over every last can .

 

[techres]

I'm good on everything for about two months now .

The idea is that if something were to happen tomorrow , (wake up and the worlds' gone nuts/ whatever) it could be one last effort to obtain supplies .

Who knows how bad it could get or last , anyone know anything about Ferfal and Argentina ? Is that still going on ?

It's an idea I haven't seen yet and I figure most of the people will be at the store grabbing whats left and fighting over every last can .

In the early days, or weeks of a SHTF, the last place you want to be is away from your home or neighborhood, stronghouse, etc. Being out and about is the best way to get killed. The first people to raid the schools will be the staff who take home some "extra" to keep it safe. Go too early and you will find yourself in a tent prison for being a looter, go too late and there will be nothing there for you to loot.

There is food there, same as in prisons, military bases, and other people's homes. But any of the above are likely to get you shot. Hope none of us has to go that way (looting or getting shot).

 

[2ADMNLOVER]

Yea , ya got a point . I guess I'll keep stocking , stretch it as long as I can and cross that bridge when I get to it .

 

[Scarnucci]

I found your post over there.

I have to say, the last place I want to be in the immediate period of time after a shtf event is out on the streets, scrounging.

The point of prepping is so that you dont have to go fight the masses at Wal-mart or Kroger.

Man, you've seen the videos on how they behave on Black Friday, right? Now imagine its 2 hours after an EMP has gone off over Indy and the power is out. People everywhere are finally aware that something bad is going down, and nobody has more than 2 days worth of food at home. Where do you want to be? At home, putting plywood on the windows, or out trying to navigate the traffic jams and just hoping and praying you dont get shot in the mayhem?

Sure, maybe the schools wont be the first place to come to most peoples mind as a place to lay their hands on some food...but it isnt worth the risk in my opinion.

Certainly, there may be a time and place after an event where attempting to procure more stores may be necessary...but I would definitely want to lay loooooow during the first couple of days and weeks.

THATS why I prep.

 

[Steve]

A very simple saying fits here:

IT IS BETTER TO HAVE AND NOT NEED THAN TO NEED AND NOT HAVE!!

Prep your brains out NOW and avoid the rush.

 

[Zoub]

it could be one last effort to obtain supplies.

Yup, it very well could be your last act. It's a **** plan at best but not really worthy of the word plan. I certainly would not go with you.

Stay in your castle man, stay in your castle.

 

[ChalupaCabras]

I think you need to HAVE stuff before hand, and leave the raiding expeditions to low-life raiders.

 

[bwframe]

Stay in your castle man, stay in your castle.

I'll be staying in my castle. Zoub is welcome, as long as he'll take point. Anyone else is subject to review, but basically fall under the rule of the '70's bumper sticker "Azz, gas or grass, no one rides for free."

 

[2ADMNLOVER]

The beating I'm taking over there is kinda comical . I'm an immoral bastard of a man for even thinking of stealing from a school in a TEOTWAWKI situation .

I'm not talking about breaking into my neighbors house but if I see an abandoned building that I think might have supplies in it , I'm checking it out .

I understand in the first few days a person may want to stay in their house and shield themselves from the world .

BUT , if there is no radio , TV or net your gonna need to get out and find out whats going on around you . Your going to need to gather Intel somehow .

If your supplies will soon be exhausted , your gonna need to acquire more . Sooner or later your gonna have to leave the fortress .

I look at my neighbors and don't like what I see since most of them are either elderly , hillbillies or just plain gimps . So I think with few exceptions , I'm on my own .

Maybe I'm jaded but I think your morals and ethics are gonna have to be flexible .

I think your gonna have to adapt to the situation you find yourself in , overcome the obstacles your facing and learn to excel at surviving .

You may have to learn to like rat and grasshopper , you may have to shoot someone , you may have to do things that in this world you wouldn't normally do .

It makes me laugh to think that some folks think that their gonna hold on to their morals and wont have to change or adapt to the situation .

Don't get me wrong , I'll be as moral and ethical as the situation allows but I will take advantage of every opportunity that comes my way .

 

[wtfd661]

I think it would be a good option to remember if all else fails. I agree with others not the best plan, but if for whatever reason you ran out of supplies, caught out in the open away from home, etc. It's a good idea.

 

[damdayshifter]

Don't worry about the other site.

I agree with you. In a SHTF case to survive you will need to LOOK AND GO WHERE NO ONE WILL LOOK FIRST. A small list places I will hit for food and supplies are casinos, schools, hospitals, and police stations.

 

[wtfd661]

and police stations.

Oh great go for the donuts.

 

[Zoub]

I'll be staying in my castle. Zoub is welcome, as long as he'll take point. Anyone else is subject to review, but basically fall under the rule of the '70's bumper sticker "Azz, gas or grass, no one rides for free."

That is where the shotguns are good, as long as you are behind with me with something bigger than a .22.

Ah the 70's.........when ammo was cheap and so were machine guns. Tell me again why we didn't buy them by the case?

 

[Zoub]

. I'm an immoral bastard of a man for even thinking you may have to shoot someone, you may have to do things that in this world you wouldn't normally do. Don't get me wrong , I'll be as moral and ethical as the situation allows but I will take advantage of every opportunity that comes my way to eat.

I agree, the single largest source of protein will be human flesh. Use the cafeteria food as bait. Yeah, I get it, gather recipes now.

Tell me if I am reading more into it then you really meant

There are a million scenarios the best ones involve staying put, mittigating risk, conserving your energy and applying out of sight of mind.

 

[bwframe]

I agree, the single largest source of protein will be human flesh. Use the cafeteria food as bait. Yeah, I get it, gather recipes now.

This is a real survival thread now! I remember around 14-15 years ago reading a Usenet News post, I think it was in alt.survivalism. The poster made reference to the fact that "long pig" was good with ketchup.

 

[MarkR]

I'll be as moral and ethical as the situation allows but I will take advantage of every opportunity that comes my way .[/QUOTE]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but to me the above statement shows no morals or ethics. Morals are VALUES - they are not situation-dependent. They are part of who you are, so they either are, or they are not.
It's this line of thinking among people in a SHTF scenario that is worrisome.

 

[ghunter]

The one problem I see with using a school as a ready made shelter will be the authorities that will probably stage there for incident command functions. If a school is your chosen place of refuge, your best bet is to watch it from a distance (and a hidden location) for a day or two to make sure you can get it for yourself. As far as being thrown in a looter's camp, most looters are chased away, but not apprehended. There's no place to put them, and no one wants to take care of them.

Just for giggles, let's say you shacked up in a school and a bunch of cops show up. They would probably just chase you off- as long as they thought you were ok.