New BATF ruling on stabilizing braces today

[ancjr]

Injunctions are valid, no matter of duration.

 

[bwframe]

That didn’t take long. This was in my inbox this afternoon from PSA.

View attachment 311881

I got one of those too.

SO glad to see it. Sell another 40 million braces!

 

[KellyinAvon]

I think they are jumping the gun a bit.

Pun intended?

 

[Route 45]

Pun intended?

Maybe.

An injunction, while binding and in effect nationwide, is not a final court decision. I don't expect ATF to just give up.

For now, though...LOL, brace goes back on.

 

[ancjr]

More numbers = less argument against "common use"

ATF may be walking right into the overturn of the NFA.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Maybe.

An injunction, while binding and in effect nationwide, is not a final court decision. I don't expect ATF to just give up.

For now, though...LOL, brace goes back on.

The ATF won't give up, they are playing with our money.

 

[eric001]

More numbers = less argument against "common use"

ATF may be walking right into the overturn of the NFA.

Let us hope and pray! The only reason I don't have any suppressors or SBR's is the NFA mandated ******** registration list that you KNOW they keep. I'm not thrilled about the $200 poll tax idea either, but it's the NFA stopping me. Just do NOT want to be on that list. It still boggles my mind how clear "shall not be infringed" is in writing and how easily our gov't has completely ignored those 4 simple words.

 

[bwframe]

More numbers = less argument against "common use"

ATF may be walking right into the overturn of the NFA.

That's a great idea. We are better off to get one bite at a time though.

Too drastic of a change could bring us an outrage of the other side that we cannot beat? We are not great at drafting talking points or narrative.

We have to learn from the past, including the recent past with abortion...

Will "abortion rights" kill our fight for the Second Amendment?

https://apnews.com/article/ohio-abortion-rights-constitutional-amendment-special-election-227cde039f8d51723612878525164f1a https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ohio-special-election-could-determine-future-abortion-rights-state-2023-08-08/

www.indianagunowners.com

The Effect of "Abortion Rights" on the Political Landscape

Moving the conversation here from another thread, because I'm not sure what's supposed to be discussed or not in that other one.

www.indianagunowners.com

 

[ancjr]

Let us hope and pray! The only reason I don't have any suppressors or SBR's is the NFA mandated ******** registration list that you KNOW they keep. I'm not thrilled about the $200 poll tax idea either, but it's the NFA stopping me. Just do NOT want to be on that list. It still boggles my mind how clear "shall not be infringed" is in writing and how easily our gov't has completely ignored those 4 simple words.

I've heard a lot of arguments against it, but I think your use of Poll tax is the correct term.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Typical clickbait from this clown.
Its not Permanent until SCOTUS knocks it down.

 

[ancjr]

Typical clickbait from this clown.
Its not Permanent until SCOTUS knocks it down.

So i took it down because of the title, but he did explain the interplay of cases involved in the actual content of the video.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

 

[viiiupndhead]

Was planning to file a Form 1 this week! Glad to have this news. I suspect this will end up with SCOTUS.

 

[edwea]

Was planning to file a Form 1 this week! Glad to have this news. I suspect this will end up with SCOTUS.

Why wait? Go ahead and file!

 

[viiiupndhead]

Why wait? Go ahead and file!

Ability to travel across state lines...

 

[Cameramonkey]

Typical clickbait from this clown.
Its not Permanent until SCOTUS knocks it down.

And on a related note, staff has discussed this behind the scenes and the moratorium on complete braced pistol sales here stands until SCOTUS rules.

You can still sell braces here.
You can still sell unbraced pistols here.
You just cant sell them together here or reference the brace in the pistol ad and vice versa. They need to be separate sales to stay legal. (at least in TK's opinion)

So you may ask yourself, why not since they are legal again today? Yes, its legal TODAY. But if it changes, staff doesnt have the time nor energy to once again track down every complete braced pistol and remove them again. It wasnt fun the first time and we dont want to have to do that again.

If SCOTUS knocks this down permanently we will return to unrestricted sales. I hope everyone understands.

 

[Bennettjh]

Was glad to see this. Hopefully it gets knocked down permanently.

 

[ZurokSlayer7X9]

I think they are jumping the gun a bit. This isn't over. It's just paused.

It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

To be fair though, PSA is mainly trying to understandably cash in here regardless if the injunction stays or not, kind of like shipping all those P-mags to California when they had their magazine injunctions.

 

[Cameramonkey]

It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

To be fair though, PSA is mainly trying to understandably cash in here regardless if the injunction stays or not, kind of like shipping all those P-mags to California when they had their magazine injunctions.

Or trying to quickly unload any remaining stock while they can. If that is true, expect those to get sold out and not replenished.

 

[KellyinAvon]

And on a related note, staff has discussed this behind the scenes and the moratorium on complete braced pistol sales here stands until SCOTUS rules.

You can still sell braces here.
You can still sell unbraced pistols here.
You just cant sell them together here or reference the brace in the pistol ad and vice versa. They need to be separate sales to stay legal. (at least in TK's opinion)

So you may ask yourself, why not since they are legal again today? Yes, its legal TODAY. But if it changes, staff doesnt have the time nor energy to once again track down every complete braced pistol and remove them again. It wasnt fun the first time and we dont want to have to do that again.

If SCOTUS knocks this down permanently we will return to unrestricted sales. I hope everyone understands.

Thanks for the "spelling it out" post CM. Trying to figure out what's legal is hard enough without it changing every-other day.